Yes it is rubbish. When I just used an ordinary Modem the line kept being faulty, and the connection was cut off regularly at busy times, i.e. in the evening when you want to use the internet. Now I have a livebox, I am persistently having a problem with PPP server down which cuts off the connection and it is a complete pain getting it back on. This happens several times a day. In fact, would appreciate anyone able to help with this problem. It seems to me that they sell service but cannot sustain it. The call centre try to help but it is difficult to understand them and for them to understand us, they appear to be programmed with a script and anything that deviates from that they cannot cope with. And yes they do go over the same thing over and over again. I am trying very hard to get out of this service but getting the MAC code is not easy either. I have only ever used Bt before and never had any problems, but they are quite expensive. I know people who have Tiscali and are satisfied, and Sky also appear to be OK. I would not, could not ever recommend Orange.