Mansion fire in shropshire

[4getmenot]

Murder? Suicide? or cover up?

You discuss

[hau kola]

Its hard to believe any man could murder his family and kill himself but it does happen all too often.

[Lakitu]

I know, HK, I'm just finding i hard to believe this one is murder/suicide.

I'll place a tenner bet with everyone here that thinks he did it, I could pay off my mortgage......or be in collosal debt myself (I wouldn't kill my bunnies and set fire to my house though, don't worry) :o)

[hau kola]

He loved his daughter, she loved her horses.
Ive probably got a different take on it from everyone else as it has happened in my family.
I hope theyre all on a desert island somewhere really.

[Lakitu]

I do too, but it's not looking likely, unfortunately.

The police would have already checked to see if their passports had been used between the hours of 8pm Monday and now?

That's another reason I don't believe he did it, I do realise how much debt he was in, and I know to me and you, that's a helluva lot of money, but he had properties in other Countries too that could be sold to make start in clearing the debt.

Out of everything he owned and everything he could have sold, it really isn't an awful lot of money in the big scheme of things.

Sorry it happened in your family, HK xx

[hau kola]

Thanks hun.xoxoxo

[-gem-]

I think it was a murder suicide. The horses barricaded them in, set fire to the house, then killed themselves.

[-gem-]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7586592.stm

I just read this. It's a tough one. Good motive either way for murder or a suicide. The only reason I can see for the arson is dna coverup as Henry suggested, and maybe cos u then don't know if it's a suicide or even if they were there. Maybe they legged it and ran from their debts to make it look like a murder?
The problem with a murder theory is the fire and barricade: it all adds time which adds to detection likelihood.

If the guy is RIP, rest his soul etc, but he sounds like a pretty crooked individual.

[-gem-]

Have police checked the lake yet for canoes?

[sandbach99]

The main thing I can't understand is the boarding up of the windows, who has enough MDF or Plywood lying around presumably cut to size to board up all those windows or even a few. Someone must have pre-planned that bit.

Did I just hear on the news that Police are now investigating a power cut in the area about the time of the fire.

I have another theory they are being held hostage somewhere, the house fire, shooting of the pets etc was done to make the family realize how serious the hostage takers were. He is being made to sell etc all his hidden assets to pay his debts.

Either that or a fast trip to Holyhead up the A5, ferry to Dublin, flight to anywhere in the world

[Ethel]

Birmingham airport is a lot closer than Dublin

[sandbach99]

True Ethel but perhaps a more obvious choice

[-gem-]

Either that or a fast trip to Holyhead up the A5, canoe to Panama.

[whiffy]

What a silly idea, the radar would have caught them in the Bristol Channel, unless they took a Great Circle route.

[Ethel]

Or a submarine

[nicks121]

what i dont understand is how either the wife of girl couldnt of escaped or no raise of alarm ie ringin of police, was done when they realised the father had lost the plot. This makes me think that its gangsters who did this as he never paid them back. And surely if his legitimate debt was that bad, he couldve sold some assets to pay that off, where as the possible debt to the wrong people, may have been unpayable or he missed deadline. my ideas a bit far fetched but i think theres something not right.