acw agree with all you say, have raised some valid points. i assumed and must stress assumed that the couple i saw had been drinking, they were talking so loudly, i just dont feel that a parent under the influence of alcohol; or anything else, for that matter should have resposibility for a child. im no saint, believe me! we go on haven holidays and the children are with us in the social club till it closes, dancing and larking about, joining in all the games and party dances, but i hope you agree that holidays are different. i must add to that if they get tired and want to go, we do go home