How can you take a church seriously...?

[flobadob]

The church of england is changing the rules to allow female bishops. I'm not saying that I'm for, or against this but what I am saying is how can you take a church seriously if they just keep changing the rules to suit themselves? Surely the way a church lays out the rules at the start should be the way they stay. For example in a few years what's to stop them changing the rules to allow atheists to become bishops?

[Ankou]

" it doesn't negate the biblical ruling. "

what biblical ruling ?

[naomi24]

Ankou, are you actually reading the posts here?

//.... I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.//

[RATTER15]

Naomi, that's why I gave up answering, he has little idea of what he is talking about and the principle behind my posts!

[Greedyfly]

This post has been going for too long

[Ankou]

noami, the text you quoted sounds like pauls personal feelings of misogyny, and possibly misandry if you read enough of it, doggone darnit, lets just say it, he was a misanthrope.

so the men who make the rules now, have changed the rules of made by men back then in order to provide women with a fairer opportunity of promotion.

…and you are complaining???????? lol.

[Ankou]

ratter i understand your principle regarding the church and the establishment, i feel the same just perhaps with less agression. i don;t uhderstand your proinciple of why it can't change its rules over time though.

how can you take the church seroisly, well of course us atheists can't.

but that wasnt really the question.

[naomi24]

The Church was founded on Paul's teachings - and that is one of them. You really don't understand do you - just as you don't understand the concept of debating a principle. Religion blinds religious apologists just as it blinds the religious.

[Ankou]

i understand that they can change their rules to suit themselves.
they've been doing it for years.

[naomi24]

As I said, it is abundantly clear that you have no conception of the meaning of the word 'principle'.

[jno]

Paul's view is Paul's view. There is no evidence that it was Jesus's view. So the Christian church is perhaps concluding that Christ got it right. It has taken a while, but if they are finally getting it right themselves, is that a reason to conclude that they can't be taken seriously? Or is it perhaps the opposite?

[beso]

The basis of the Faith is supposed to be the Bible as The Word of God. Like the other prophets Paul was supposed to be no more than a scribe for The Word.

If the Church chooses to abandon parts of The Word then the edifice of the Bible as the guide to a proper life utterly collapses.

Left to fend for their philosophy on the basis of rationality the believers cannot succeed as their beliefs have no coherent foundation and they hark back to the Bible when cornered.

The point being made here is that the faithful cannot have it both ways. If The Word can be changed then it is not The Word and as such this claim cannot be admitted as evidence of divinity.

Failure to stick by it is to deny it. Standing by the Word is to support a swathe of amoral and inconsistent beliefs. Consequently the concept of the Bible as an exalted work fails the test of logic and the hypothesis is therefore disproved.

[RATTER15]

So well said Beso and Naomi!! thankyou

[Ankou]

"Consequently the concept of the Bible as an exalted work fails the test of logic and the hypothesis is therefore disproved"

exactly, so why should this trouble us atheists ? we should welcome it.

[chakka35]

jno, we cannot possibly have any 'evidence' of any of Jesus' views. Where would such evidence come from?

[jno]

ah, I see we now have a choice of Christians. Anglicans think female bishops are ok. Catholics however have classified their ordination as a crime on a par with child abuse (which presumably means not all *that* serious).

http://www.guardian.c...ion-women-grave-crime

So people will have to decide whether one can be taken more seriously than the other.

[flobadob]

Perhaps they will allow atheists to become bishops, they've already let them become priests. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Meslier