Muslims who fought for Britain

[sp1814]

I only became aware of this when scanning through a post from yesterday:

http://www.metro.co.u...tten-on-armistice-day

Why is it that the contribution from Muslim and Commonwealth troops during the last two world wars isn't celebrated?

How comes none of us knows about the "2.5million men and women who came over to do their bit in World War II"?

Is it because it flies in the face of the usual Islamophobic rhetoric spouted by the dailymailers (who want everyone to believe that "yer typical Muslim is a banner-waving extremist")?

Can anyone explain this oddity?

[Zeuhl]

aog

At the risk of distracting this thread.

I'm sorry to report your link re Everton is to information related to the 1800's published in 1907

Everton may have been a township to the north west of Liverpool then, but for many years it has been a district within Liverpool. I grew up near there and still support the namesake football team.

I hesitate to suggest that your sources of information on other topics are also a hundred years out of date.

:-)

[naomi24]

I'm confused. What does this question have to do with Australians?

[123everton]

AOG has often contended that the Indians had as much to defend from Axis forces as we did.
This is untrue, Japan only entered the war in late 1941 so until then there was threat to India's borders (even if you allow for The Second Sino Japanese War), consequently I say that Indian troops deserve to be loudly commended and commemorated for their brave sacrifices to defend a freedom that we ourselves denied them at home.
Furthermore, Indian troops sole concern was for hearth and home then they would've and should've been deployed in Burma, not Africa, and even after Africa, Australian troops were redployed to defend their homeland, whereas the Indians were not.
If you read through what I've written you'll see that thousands of Muslims, Algerian, Morroccan, Tunisian and Indian were expended in the pointless Third Battle Of Monte Cassino for no other reason than Churchill wanted to impress the Stalin.
Why is it that the pointlessnes of The Battle Of The Somme (indians were there too) still resonates, but an equally pointless battle can be prosecuted that barely registers?
Both battles were fought for political reasons, just one involved a large proportion of foreigners in the casualties (I have to mention New Zealanders too), foreigners counted for little with Churchill, see Dieppe and Gallipoli.

[fredpuli47]

Never mind that. What about the Battle of the Boyne ? One army of French and Irish against one of Danes, Dutch, Scots and English. Bloody foreigners ! Come over here, stealing our jobs. Why couldn't they go back and fight for their own country ? Bloody winner was Dutch 'n' all !

I expect there were Christians on both sides in the world wars as well !

[123everton]

Most assuredly Fred you are right.
Trouble is the vast majority of the historical media on both wars is overtly white, this does our allies a grave disservice.
Look at the makeup of the merchant marine at the time, it's even more diverse. try the sinking of the Benares for starters.

[clokey]

Everton #and then there's the Indians (incorporating Nepalese Gurkhas and Pakistanis)#


If Pakistan was founded on august 14th 1947 how did you get them in the Indian army before 47.

[123everton]

True Pakistan didn't exist then as it was prior to partition, it's just in case that maybe some people would view Indian as being Hindu.
I know it's not quite accurate, but given that the Muslim is the latter day Jew of our society with secret socities hell bent on world domination and takeover, I thought it may be important to highlight our shared history in it's numerous guises.
Truthfully, look at Goebells' film "The Eternal Jew" there's a scene were it states that the influx of Jews (Muslims now) has brought nothing but crime and chaos, add to that another common modern saying, "not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims" if you cast your mind back it used to be the convention that Judaism and Marxism were one ofthe same thing.
The more things change, the more they stay the same....

[123everton]

P.S.
"because by then the japansese where all but beaten at home and the British pushed them out of Burma."
Geezer you're wrong the Japanese had the occupied most of Burma throughout 1943, I think they even declared it as independent, we had two major counter attacks one of which certainly failed, I think the other was a Windgate affair.
We only really started to push the Japs back in 1944, finally taking their surrender in 1945.
If memory serves, Mountbatten almost immediately employed the defeated Japanese troops as police in Burma, I digress.
Either way, the Indians had a lot to fight for on their own continent without troubling themselves Kesselring's mob.

[askyourgran]

You are right 123 My father was in Burma with the Royal Engineers in 1943. He fought alongside the Ghurkas and the Indians. His praise for the Ghurkas knew no bounds, the jungles of Burma was where the Ghurkas were in their element against the Japanese. We are discussing a World War, which should tell you that nations were fighting against nations, so it follows that there are memorials throughout the world to commemorate their dead. Australia's memorial in Perth is impressive.

[DrFilth]

what a brill thread from musims
to the aussies
to the battle of the boyne
to brave pakistani soldiers when pakistan did not exist

[DrFilth]

out of interest these pictures are from a booklet my uncle brought back either after cassino or one of the other battles in italy.
everton take a look at picture 2 inside cover who are trying to hitch a lift ?

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http://s655.photobuck...IMG_0005.jpg&newest=1

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[anotheoldgit]

RAGGY ROMAN

/// Do Muslims have a day which celebrates NATO troop coming to their aid in the former Yugoslavia? ///

Don't be daft RR, everton only asks the questions he doesn't answer them, especially if they are rather sensitive, to his anti-British viewpoint.

But I do hope every one enjoyed his 'History of WW2'? That is all those that could be bothered to read it, yawn, yawn.yawn.

[123everton]

I imagine so Raggy, I think they'd call it independence day.
I feel that the troops who served there are more than happy to give credit to Colonial troops (I've never heard anyone speak badly of the Gurkhas) but there is I fear a degree of white wash in the recording of our victory.
Given that within a little over twenty years after their sacrifices for us, we had Enoch Powell prophesising rivers of blood, given that the Muslim is now portrayed in the media as our misfortune, then it's an imperitive of all right minded people to point just what they've done for us.
Before you know it we'll be hearing Muslims don't fight in our wars, they sit behind the scenes puling the strings, forcing nations into war, to fulfil their aims of world domination, whilst we're at war the Muslim enemies of the state sit waiting to to stab us in the back.
We've heard it all before, it's only the villain that changes, they were wrong then and it's wrong now.
We all need to fight rabid reactionary prejudice from whatever creed or colour, the only way to do it is with openness, respect, courtesy and decency, that in itself marginilises the lunatic fringe.
The best place to start is a historical, as opposed to a hysterical, narritive of our shared history, respect were it's due and apologies were it's appropiate.

[DrFilth]

everton in the photo's i have seen of the indian troops they were all sikhs unless muslim troops had turbans on

you are correct in the fact that my uncle who fought at cassino never had a bad word for any of the other soldiers and also my father who fought alongside indian troops in italy and i think in north africa.


the thing is they all seem to have a turban on

[sp1814]

AOG

It sounds like paranoia when you assume that the term 'dailymailer' has racist overtones.

Please explain what you mean.

[123everton]

It's caricature, excusable when you think it's intended for a mass audience.
They were all just the Raj Rif then, the turban serves to represent that I suppose.
You surprise me AOG, on this REMEMBERANCE WEEKEND, you scorn me for REMEMBERING THOSE THAT DIED FOR US.
I'm sorry if I kept you awake reminding you that many foreigners, who became immigrants, whose children were born Brits, were betrayed by the baying monkeys who laud Enoch Powell.

[sp1814]

B00 - no, my post has nothing to do with the poppy-burning morons. Nothing at all. It was prompted by the fact that the commonwealth's contribution to the war effort seems to be largely overlooked