tread lightly...?

[swedeheart]

Okay, I'm not going to name any names here and I think it would be a good thing if nobody else did either - please? I'd just like to draw you good ChatterBankers attention to the fact that there is a connection between Dissociative Identity Disorder (previously known as Multiple Identity Disorder) and Bipolar Disorder. It was no secret that a now "deceased" ABer called In A Pickle suffered from the latter. So...

What I'm saying is that it's difficult to be certain to which degree people with these kind of diagnoses are responsible for their actions.

If you see what I mean.

[netibiza]

Back off chuck! tis between B00 and me!

[B00]

Believe me Chuck, by the time we've taken our layers off, thermal vests (6 of) etc, you'll have fallen asleep :P

[netibiza]

errr, so will I !!

[B00]

hehehe!

[swedeheart]

*hands out oxygen masks, popcorn sacks and seppuku knives - this reply WILL be extensive* Hi Neti, I'm so glad you asked me that question! My problem here has been to try to get my point across without a) hurting people, and b) having the thread zapped. What I have learned on this thread is that it's difficult to say what you mean when you don't say what you mean;-) (Referring to myself there.) The risk of being misunderstood is huge. You're a straight shooter Neti and you already know I love that about you xx In this case, your question is giving me the chance to clarify a misunderstanding I didn't even realise was at hand, till just now when I read your post. So, thank you:) Here goes:

I most definitely did not mean that bipolar sufferers are not responsible for their actions - when reasonably well* Sincere apologies to any sufferers who might have thought that was what I meant. But in my defence I wasn't event talking about Bipolar Disorder. I was talking about Dissociative Identity Disorder - which may or may not be in the picture when you're bipolar. That was my reason for mentioning Bipolar Disorder, yesterday. (continued below)

[swedeheart]

(cont.) IF (and it's a big if) DID is one of your diagnoses, it will sometimes be the case - to my layman's understanding - that Personality A is unaware of the actions or even existence of Personality B. To, in such a case, hold Personality A responsible for what Personality B does or to reproach Personality A for not acknowledging Personality B is just not on. Do I believe that's what we're dealing with here? No. I don't. I don't believe so. But I'm not 100% certain that it isn't. (Only about 90%, lol.) But for the sake of those remaining 10 percents of doubt I have chosen not to join in the hunt (sadly, because it IS a bit like being a Private Dick isn't it and I would have enjoyed it:)

To be fair (to me:) Prudie put the above into words yesterday at 17.01 and I confirmed that this was what I meant.

My reason for posting was that other ABers who may have been previously unaware of the above POSSIBLE scenario might also want to refrain from action. Or not. Entirely up to them. I'm just a believer in making an informed choice, that's all.

Did I not see Mr V throw a stroppy when revealed? (cliffhanger, continued below;-)

[swedeheart]

(cont.) Did I not see Mr V throw a stroppy when revealed? Yes I did and I laughed:-D His reaction is the reason why I'm 90% convinced he knows exactly what he's doing, all the time. But just to complicate matters - and again this is to my layman's understanding - it is possible for a DID sufferer's "connection" with other personalities to fluctuate depending on "where they're at" in their illness, medication, therapy and so forth. The fact that he perceived himself as revealed on that occasion doesn't necessarily mean that [insert new user name here] would PERCEIVE himself to be revealed today, even if he were. So, again, I wanted to leave room for my own personal doubt. And I don't mind saying it's a small one:) (The doubt.)

*Now then just to complicate things even more, switching back to Bipolar Disorder again: If you are interested, please refer to the following article. Responsible/not responsible, during a psychotic period? Add that up with possible Dissociative Identity Disorder and you get... uncertainty on my personal behalf as to in what way and to what degree a person diagnosed with both can be held accountable for every action at every point in time http://www.independen...-reality-1852329.html

I have chosen to act on my uncertainty - that's all. But as docspock pointed out yesterday we don't even know for sure that IAP was bipolar. Much less do we know that [insert new user ame here] is not only bipolar but also DID...! Lol, it's all in my head, isn't it... :) Just rest assured that this thread was never intended as an attack on anybody, it really was just my info to those ABers who might not have been aware of the link between bipolar and DID. I meant well. And wipe that smile off y

[swedeheart]

And wipe that smile off your face Chuck http://i52.tinypic.com/2qas6wx.jpg ;-)

[wolf63]

swede - it is apt that I have just read your mini-novel above because I have just eaten mashed up swedes and carrots for my dinner - and they were pure dead magic.

To be honest in AB, as in life, it is not those diagnosed with a mental health problem that are the most unhinged. You just have to be here at the weekend with a multi-posting troll and you can get a snapshot of how a 'sick' mind operates. ;-)

Anyway - I am off to find something to buy in the sales. A giant wheelie bin for the furballs seems like a good idea - or is it?

Susan

[netibiza]

Swedie, I think the poster knows exactly what and who he is every time. Don't waste your pity on him, I don't mean that unkindly, but you are playing into his hands. He is an intelligent person, but in my opinion a diva, he obviously has his "highs and lows" and I would not wish that on anyone (as far as I can understand it), but he does know exactly what he is doing and probably giggling about all this!

[swedeheart]

lol Susan I keep getting mashed on this site, this isn't the first time it has happened! I know what you're saying - who is "normal" anyway. It's just a mode button on the washing machine as far as I'm concerned:) <just humour the crazeeh ladeeh sweedie or you'll end up in the wheelie bin with frankie and merlin> ;-)

Yes Neti I think you are probably right, I honestly do. Which just makes the whole thing even more twisted, just like Susan said. (BTW Susan call me Kit, if you like.)

Thanks both for trying to understand da foreigner:)

[wolf63]

swede/Kit - what colour of wheelie bin do you thing that I should get?

I am very tired and am off for a sleep - I may return later - but again I might not!

[swedeheart]

Mmm... the blue one...? http://www.wheeliegra...bin-stickers/no-cats/