what do you think of this?

[TWR]

My neighbour came around an hour ago, during the course of the night 6 youngsters picked up a boulder and throw it at her rear screen & smashed it, hows that for the youth of today, the women was in tears. did someone talk about the birch?

[LoftyLottie]

SQAD

"Why do the anti corporal punishment group weaken their argument (in my opinion) by using such terms a "whacking, thrashing and beating?" when they know full well that it is inflammatory and adds nothing to the debate."

Please look through this thread and see that the term "whacking" was taken by me from a posting from a pro corporal punishment ABer.

Love Lottie ;o)

Apology expected!!

[TWR]

A post I put on about a neighbours car, the police came down about 2hrs later, (Police station 5mins away from our house) said they could not do anything about it as no-one had seen them, the house owners accross the road seen this crowd walking up "Popped up" did they go and see the people? No, the said that the needed a witness that seen the boulder getting thrown.

[TWR]

NOX, throughout the TV coverage on the riots, there was no one person that seemed to be over the the age of 25>>30 & even under that age, that should answer your answer. regards doing things, I have been there myself but never though of smashing cars, shops, hitting the elderly, our enjoyment was pinching apples, knocking on doors, it's gone way out of control due to HR, I often got cracked off my Mother, I often got caned at school, but there was no chance me telling my Mother or School teacher to FCK off as these meant another crack / cane, I did have respect.

[emmie]

what i find difficult to witness is some parents indifference, the child is crying, upset, or bored, and the parents sit, smoking their cigs, ignoring the little mites, or telling them off, even swearing at them, and generally being obnoxious, and to some extent i can see why some grow up the same, perhaps it's time someone broke the chain, after all these children will likely have children of their own one day.
Did the neighbour call the police, if not, why not.

[TWR]

That's what I could not understand EM, it was the person that had her car damaged that rang the police.

[NOX]

Have a look at the FACTS behind some historic riots and looting TWR and you will see that nothing has essentially changed, we just have better sources of communication now to synchronise things and better news coverage so you actually know what's happening all over the country- and yes there were middle aged people rioting and looting as well, and beating people only make them more violent not less- source:- first hand experience.

[LoftyLottie]

"I often got cracked off my Mother, I often got caned at school, but there was no chance me telling my Mother or School teacher to FCK off as these meant another crack / cane, I did have respect. "

That's not respect - it's pure fear!!

[boxtops]

Lottie, yes - but we were brought up to have respect and to be civil. The punishment for infringement for us was often a smack, or the withdrawal of some treat or privilege. It did us no harm, but it taught us where our boundaries were drawn.

[LoftyLottie]

A smack is not quite like the cane though Boxtops. A smack doesn't really hurt - just hurts pride. Not something I believe in though. But you have it in one you were brought up to have respect and be civil and I bet your parents showed a good example of this themselves. As far as I am concerned parenting is a full time, responsible job that starts on day one and it isn't easy.

[TWR]

Can you not find any more straws to pick at Kosmos,

[venator]

Kids need security.

They need to know that there is someone in authority who they can rely on.

The authority figure, be it parents or whoever needs to demonstrate that authority by setting limits on kids' behaviour and enforcing them, and by setting an example.

Too many kids these days have no authority figure, and look to gang leaders or peers.

The kind of example they are exposed to includes violent computer games - the kind of street rioting we have seen is there in many games.

[Ankou]

it amazes me that there are people who say that the kids are rioting because their parents instilled no corporal punishment in their childhood.

the same people say that bad kids copy their parents in later life, or that they pass on the neglect and abuse they have ben brought up on.

the same people say that kids these days are violent and have no respect.

and yet they still trot out this ridiculous notion that beating a child would make them meak, mild and respectful.

[WELSHYORKIE]

Ankou, Lottie and I have had a discussion on a previous thread about smacking kids - not beating or whacking - and agreed to differ. My 2 boys were smacked when they were very naughty and have turned out to be well behaved, well adjusted men who now have children of their own. They choose not to smack their children except as a last resort, when all other avenues have been gone down. They also give their children copious amounts of love and affection and have a truly wonderful relationship with them. These children know the difference netween right and wrong and where the line of acceptable behaviour is drawn.

[pa___ul3]

I live in an area where you see plenty of really scummy parents, effing and blinding at 2 year old kids, and then you see their slightly older siblings effing and blinding at them, they must see it as that's the way to get people to do what you want.. aggression.. that will be how they live their life.
I also see plenty of very well behaved kids (bit of a mix The Wirral!) really polite and it's very evident that their parents are not at all aggressive towards them, occasionally stern but that's it.
My mum smacked me when I was naughty and I wouldn't say it done me any harm, but it was when I was a bit older mostly and it tended to be quite funny because she's only tiny and it never hurt! But, in my opinion, there's a massive difference between those who occasionally losing your cool and putting on an intimidating front to regain authority and those who are setting an example whereby to get what you want you have to be aggressive.

[Ankou]

ok welshie i understand your point. my post was in reference to

"did someone talk about the birch"

that doesn't imply a 'smack', as said by lofty above.