So has Dictator Dave really won?

[youngmafbog]

Dave has now shown his true colours and indeed now seems to be proved as an opportunistic liar and virtually a dictator.

Europe is not a single party issue nut denying the public a vote when you nkow that the majority are not happy with the situation is. Dave now shows he is unwilling to listen to the public, just like Blair and Brown before him and worse he is prepared to bully MPs that would like to represent their voters. And Milliband for allhis shouting is not much better.

Will this break the Tories? I for one have ersigned my membership of the Tory party and will no longer vote for them after 30 odd years of support. Will others do the same?

[emmie]

I wonder how Britain managed before the invention of the EU.

[jno]

not terribly well, Em

http://en.wikipedia.o...959:_the_post-War_era

[New Judge]

So essentially, then, jake, our version of “democracy” could see our entire system of government passed over to a foreign power (provided our “elected representatives” decided to do so and took responsibility for their decision). It’s not my idea of democracy, representative or otherwise.

Our representatives are precisely that – they are there to represent our views and see the requirements of the majority prevail. You cannot disconnect the will of the electorate from their elected representatives and only consider it every five years or so. And I will ask what I asked Gromit earlier: where do you get the notion that inward investment to the UK would fall dramatically if we left the EU?

It’s interesting that you should choose to examine the UK’s economic situation just after WW2, jno. You may recall that that skirmish took place to prevent Germany dictating what happened in the rest of the continent. No need for such a skirmish now. It might be more appropriate to compare our situation now with nations which are not part of the EU. I’m not going to do so because I really have said all I am going to say on this question now.

[jno]

I was just answering em's question, NJ; but you can scroll up the page I linked to to take the matter further back in time if you wish. Very broadly speaking, Britain has been in economic decline since the early 20th century. Two big wars did not help things... but Britain goes on getting into wars anyway.

[New Judge]

Of course, I'd forgotten, jno. Britain's involvement in WW1 and WW2 was entirely of their own doing !

[jno]

I don't follow your argument, NJ? It's irrelevant whether WW1 and WW2 were Britain's fault or not, they contributed to Britain's decline. Subsequent wars have been voluntary, however (possibly excluding the Falklands), and the cost of them might have been better spent at home.