Dear Naomi I am sorry if I you believe I am trying to "pull the reins here" Far fom it. Of course the Catholic Church is a total disgrace as I have said earlier. But they were dealt with by Henry VIII in the now UK. If you bother to read ALL my comments above you will see my views. But, though I'm against all religions, I am tolerant to those of poor suckered lay-people of opposite opinions or beliefs. In other words I have addressed Wildwood's question. I think yours and others move to bl**dy stupid discussion of Rolex watches seems to be a trivial distraction from Wildwood's major point. This is how I saw this discussion moving when I advised against "an anticatholic crusade". THE C of E IS BEING LET OFF THE HOOK THOUGH THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WE BRITS CAN REALLY DEAL WITH. It should not be the UK's estalished church. Neither the Monarch or Parliament should be it's "defender". I should be interested in Wildwood's view as to whether he/she meant the topic to move this way. If you, naomi, or anyone else wants me to f**k off, I will as it's getting into tiresome trivia.