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they are jayne as far as I am concerned, but there are loads of good causes and times are tight. We are giving up next years summer holiday and any prospect of a new kitchen for a while, but it's worth it for the experience the boys will have - ewarning money for it by themselves is part of the life lesson I want them to have. They are not perfect, but they are very good boys :o) Top marks in school, they haven't had a days absence from school since they were 6, neither of them have lost Golden Time ever (except when the teacher made a mistake, but I have a written apology for that!). So their bedrooms could do with being tidier and I get the odd bit of chatback and i'd like to see them eat more vegetables but overall they make me proud everyday