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Still reading your book, Khandro. Am working today and tomorrow, but will finish it and respond on Friday or Saturday. As a foretaste I can promise you another lying between calm, reasoned critique and Dionysiam rant, but it will certainly be alcohol assisted if composed after 6pm.
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@Khandro - This of yours "Someone at a bus stop//Albert Einstein' I'm sure you know, is a method of argument known as reductio ad absurdum," Is you being wrong again.

You keep missing the point, and attaching far too much importance to the messenger, and not enough to the message itself - I think we can all agree that a statement from, say a physicist about quantum mechanics deserves a greater consideration ; but the message itself should be what is important.

Otherwise you end up blindly believing in statements from people just because of who they are. Fred Hoyle on the steady state universe, or his assertion that evolution could not explain complexity - the junkyard - tornado-747 hypothesis, better known as Hoyles Fallacy.

And then we start trading reputations. You devalue the Baggini quote because you have never heard of him, and then when you look him up, he becomes, in your sneering estimation, a "second - rate philosopher" - but you attach far more weight to a quote from Dr. Johnson, because you have heard of him - but he is just offering an opinion- nothing more, nothing less.

He made a considerable contribution to the field of literature - but that does not garnish his opinion on the philosophical status of atheism any added weight!

Nice to see that you have finally offered Birdie an apology, even if a back-handed one.....
Choosing a religion will never bring anything but bewilderment. The Living God, known to mankind as Jesus Christ, is not a religion and it is impossible to reach Him through religious practises. He has already reached down to us and it is only by accepting His free gift of forgiveness for sin and eternal life that we can be freed from searching. It is not necessary for us to try to find Him because He has already made the way. Humility is the key to entering into this wonderful relationship but we are generally too proud and full of our own intelligent argument to accept its simplicity.
...can promise /you another poker metaphor, but cannot tell where the answer will appear on the scale / lying between...
kind hearts are more than coronets, and simple faith more than Norman blood.
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@Stargazer - Ahh, more unevidenced assertion presented as fact. If you have faith, fine, but that don't make it factual or true.

Personally, I will be interested in seeing what v_e makes of Polkinghorne...
I am outside in glorious sunshine, with spring bulbs peeping through everywhere about to burst into flower, birds singing and snowdrops nodding their delicate heads. Buds on the trees about to burst into leaf. The wonders of nature tell the glory of our God. He has shown Himself in this wonderful world which we have spoiled it is true.
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@Stargazer - Again, you are presenting as fact something which is your belief.

The wonders of nature are not of themselves evidence of god, at all.

It is always interesting when you hear the godly waffling on about god and nature how they always mention the nice stuff - you know, like cuddly animals, or sunlight, or flowers - convenient how they always forget the other side of the coin - like the pitcher plant, which drowns its hapless prey, or how about the Cordicyeps fungi that grows inside its prey,releasing chemicals to turn its victim into a zombie slave before devouring its brain and sprouting a mushroom out of the carcase? How about the parasitic wasp, dinocampus, which preys upon ladybirds, turning them into zombie bodyguards? There are dozens of species of parasitic wasps, all of which do stuff that is pretty horrible to their prey/hosts.

And lets not even get into parasitic worms that prey on humans, or mosquitos that inflict malaria upon us.

If you are going to use nature as evidence of anything, it is evidence of natural selection and adaption to a ecological niche.....
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birdie; //you have deliberately and egregiously tried to suggest that I think all religious people are morons.// Anyone looking at your posts, on many threads, over a long period of time, maybe inclined to differ, would you like me to paste-in a few?
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