Pistorius Polarisation

[princerupe74]

i can't recall another case where, from the outset, people for and against the accused have publicly claimed such opposing accounts of what happened. It seems that every few hours someone from one side or the other comes out with an explanation to try and sway opinion as to whether Pistorius did or didn't kill his girlfriend. The media will lap up anything about the case because it is sensational, it features a high-profile celebrity, and most importantly to them it features a beautiful young girl - the greatest obsession of the media today. Both the coverage and the counter claims are so totally distasteful considering the girl is dead. Her hideous demise and its effects on her loved ones appears completely overlooked as the media milks the case for all its worth and Pistorius' friends and foes focus on clearing or blackening his name before a court can decide. Your thoughts?

[anotheoldgit]

society

/// People are speculating, no one knows the truth except
Oscar. ///

Exactly society, thank you for that, at least someone is being sensible.

It is interesting to note however that the culprits who are already finding him guilty are more that likely the same persons who continuously condemn the Daily Mail of such things.

[sir.prize]

Oscar can be sure of one thing - no jury to worry about!

[Mick-Talbot]

Well that sounded a bit dodgy .... Oscars version of events.

JJ?

[Mick-Talbot]

What sort of locks do bathrooms in South Africa have?

I can get into mine with a penny, using a cricket bat would make the job much more difficult.

[Old_Geezer]

Not really followed this but from what I can make out, he admits to killing her. So the issue is whether there is reasonable doubt about it being murder. Whilst I'm sure there has to be some doubt, I'm unsure how reasonable one can claim, "I felt vulnerable so I fired a gun blindly through the bathroom door not knowing/caring who was there, but knowing my girlfriend was in the place", is likely to be thought. So a complete pardon then.

[DTCwordfan]

"that was a fine off-drive there, took the girlfriend all the way to the boundary."

Didn't they say that about our Geoffrey (Boycott) when he was done for a bit of wife-battering.....

More seriously, this case I think becomes a bit simpler to resolve. If OP did use the bat to enter the bathroom and there is likely to be some of her blood and fluids on it, ok - however if he hit her with it, there would be substantial bruising on her body - if not, then maybe he is indeed not guilty.

"No shyte Sherlock", MT, comes to mind.....

[society]

Did she locked herself in the bathroom from him? Or did he lock her in the bathroom with a motive? There are many questions without sufficiently conclusive evidence that needs answering.

[Mick-Talbot]

"No shyte Sherlock", MT, comes to mind.....




eh?

[Mick-Talbot]

The judge read out some of Pistorius' affidavit, in which he gave his version of the events on the night.

"During the early morning hours of 14 February 2013, I woke up, went onto the balcony to bring the fan in and closed the sliding doors, the blinds and the curtains," it read.

"I heard a noise in the bathroom and realised that someone was in the bathroom.

"I felt a sense of terror rushing over me. There are no burglar bars across the bathroom window and I knew that contractors who worked at my house had left the ladders outside."


Fair do's Oscar, that seems a reasonable enough reason to shoot bullets blindly through a bathroom door..


Is there anyone who still believes he is not guilty?

[bibblebub]

the magistrate giving the bail decision must be being paid by the word - you'd think he was giving the summing up in the real trial not just the bail hearing

[Mick-Talbot]

lol, it is a bit much.

[bibblebub]

Just when you think that he's going to give the decision he starts another sentence with "But, on the other hand..." and proceeds to paraphrase what he's already said several times before.

[EvianBaby]

I keep changing my mind about it.

But the whole trial seems like a complete farce. I don't think he stands a chance even if it was accidental.

[bibblebub]

this isn't the trial it's just the bail hearing

[EvianBaby]

Sorry, realised as soon as I hit submit I used the wrong term. It's still a farce though.

[Baldric]

///whether Pistorius did or didn't kill his girlfriend.///

I didn't think there was any doubt that he shot her, I thought the question was why he shot her?

[Mick-Talbot]

I fear another OJ

[Mick-Talbot]

How about riots?

Is this normal in South Africa?

[FredPuli43]

Need O J Simpson's lawyer? Not really. The one he's got has done a textbook job so far, absolutely impeccable. He's got the case up and running and got everyone focussing on a peculiarly ill-trained policeman, who looked completely unaccustomed to being in court, and thus on apparent defects in the prosecution case.

The problem remains that Pistorius shot 4 times intending something and that something must have been to kill or seriously injure whoever was in that tiny room. Over here, that's enough for murder. It only fails to be murder if he was acting in self-defence, which is a complete non-starter.

[Mick-Talbot]

He's got the case up and running and got everyone focussing on a peculiarly ill-trained policeman,




Really?
I was just thinking that he was rabbiting on about irrelevant nonsense.
Although the more he did go on, the more I was thinking and fearing a dodgy decision.