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Yet More Trouble For 111 Service
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Anybody still think that the Health Service is OK in Tory hands ?
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Anybody still think that the Health Service is OK in Tory hands ?
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Anyone interested in some of the backstory to the 111 service might wish to watch Dispatches tonight,8pm C4. The Govt have been repeatedly warned that the 111 service was unfit for purpose and that it should not have rolled it out when it was. It would appear those warnings were prophetic...
13:48 Mon 29th Jul 2013
LazyGun.......my "left" and "right" similes were a generalisation of the past Political pattern and I only may have implied that you were expressing left wing rhetoric, as you were not actually named......but you certainly get my drift.
The NHS is a continuing battle between the ideologies of the right and those of the left, the right not daring to stray further to the right than the centre.(wherever that may be).
The NHS is a continuing battle between the ideologies of the right and those of the left, the right not daring to stray further to the right than the centre.(wherever that may be).
@Sqad - I am being pedantic, I know - but in one post you said this
"(e.g this thread, left wing brings it up and a left of centre supportive post gets best answer)........this is getting the NHS nowhere."
Now, in that response of mine - how is it a "left of centre supportive post"?
And once again - can you , hand on heart, defend the way the 111 service has been rolled out by the Government? How is it anything but a chaotic cock-up, regardless of their Left or Right orientation?
I would agree with you that we need a cross-party consensus; The NHS and by extension patients are the ones who suffer from the endless ideologically driven top-down re-organisations, and I shudder to think how much money is wasted with each re-organisation. But consensus means concessions. Much of the changes in health care provision in this country have been driven by a move to the idea of a market-based economy within health care provision - how many concessions do the right want before we end up with a privatised health service, paid by individual insurance plans, with NHS just being a franchise badge?
"(e.g this thread, left wing brings it up and a left of centre supportive post gets best answer)........this is getting the NHS nowhere."
Now, in that response of mine - how is it a "left of centre supportive post"?
And once again - can you , hand on heart, defend the way the 111 service has been rolled out by the Government? How is it anything but a chaotic cock-up, regardless of their Left or Right orientation?
I would agree with you that we need a cross-party consensus; The NHS and by extension patients are the ones who suffer from the endless ideologically driven top-down re-organisations, and I shudder to think how much money is wasted with each re-organisation. But consensus means concessions. Much of the changes in health care provision in this country have been driven by a move to the idea of a market-based economy within health care provision - how many concessions do the right want before we end up with a privatised health service, paid by individual insurance plans, with NHS just being a franchise badge?
Tora...I am blushing !
Its a great sadness for me that people have such short memories, not just of 1948 but 1997. One of the main reasons that Major Bumble and his corrupt Tory regime was thrown out of power with an even bigger landslide than 1948 was that the NHS was on its arse. Maggie famously said the "The NHS is OK with us " Well enough people didn't believe her and voted accordingly.
Actually my experience of "abroad" has mainly been America, where a lack of free, at the point of dispensing, health care is causing serious problems for millions of families. I have friends in New Hampshire who fell on hard times due to nothing within their control and they were nearly driven mad by the problems they faced in treating a very seriously ill daughter. Relatives got themselves into debt, and will remain in debt for years to come, in order to fund her care.
We should be thankful that we have the NHS, imperfect as it is.
Its a great sadness for me that people have such short memories, not just of 1948 but 1997. One of the main reasons that Major Bumble and his corrupt Tory regime was thrown out of power with an even bigger landslide than 1948 was that the NHS was on its arse. Maggie famously said the "The NHS is OK with us " Well enough people didn't believe her and voted accordingly.
Actually my experience of "abroad" has mainly been America, where a lack of free, at the point of dispensing, health care is causing serious problems for millions of families. I have friends in New Hampshire who fell on hard times due to nothing within their control and they were nearly driven mad by the problems they faced in treating a very seriously ill daughter. Relatives got themselves into debt, and will remain in debt for years to come, in order to fund her care.
We should be thankful that we have the NHS, imperfect as it is.
LazyGun
\\\\And once again - can you , hand on heart, defend the way the 111 service has been rolled out by the Government? How is it anything but a chaotic cock-up, regardless of their Left or Right orientation? \\\\
I haven't watched Dispatches yet, but i agree that on the evidence so far that it has been a "cockup" seem fairly accurate.
it is the sort of left wing rhetoric that mikey spouts with gross generalisation, that forces one (me especially) hot foot to the right of centre politics.
\\\\And once again - can you , hand on heart, defend the way the 111 service has been rolled out by the Government? How is it anything but a chaotic cock-up, regardless of their Left or Right orientation? \\\\
I haven't watched Dispatches yet, but i agree that on the evidence so far that it has been a "cockup" seem fairly accurate.
it is the sort of left wing rhetoric that mikey spouts with gross generalisation, that forces one (me especially) hot foot to the right of centre politics.
Well, if NHS Direct were foolish enough to make their bid price too low, they suffer for it.
One ambulance service put in a bid for one of the contracts ... the contract was won by a company which put in a bid which was less than half the one put in by the ambulance service.
However the 111 service is not all it should be. As an example, a paramedic attending a patient decided the patient did not need to go to hospital but did require a home visit from the GP. Paramedic called 111 to arrange this, and, after answering all their questions, was told to call an ambulance.
One ambulance service put in a bid for one of the contracts ... the contract was won by a company which put in a bid which was less than half the one put in by the ambulance service.
However the 111 service is not all it should be. As an example, a paramedic attending a patient decided the patient did not need to go to hospital but did require a home visit from the GP. Paramedic called 111 to arrange this, and, after answering all their questions, was told to call an ambulance.
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