Farage V Clegg

[Farriercm]

Looks like Farage won on points.

[LazyGun]

Both sides of the debate use hyperbolic rhetoric, I agree, and would do much better if they could refer to the actual facts more often.

But when I talked about contemptible tactics, I was explicity referring to UKips lnflammatory nonsense about whole populations of countries or trading blocs decamping to the UK.

[retrocop]

Yesterday I said Farage would tear Clegg apart like bog paper.I would concede that it was a close won battle by Farage.Clegg did make a better fist of the debate than I would of given him credit for.
Now matter how many potential millions of EU members that are ready to flood our shores the fact remainns that Farage said,"We can accept immigration but we need Quality and not Quantity"How can anyone argue against that?We have enough purveyors of "The Big Issue from somalia,Eritrea and former Eastern Bloc countries on the streets.The Big issue scheme was designed for our own homeless beggars.Not Imported ones.Australia,Canada,New Zealand,U.S, can cherry pick their useful immigrants.Why can't Great Britain?Because they are not part of the EU and we unfortunately are.

[Kromovaracun]

Re: Corruption

Farage has been quite happy to filch money off of the EU while claiming what a repulsive gravy train it is. A few years ago he admitted to claiming some £2million worth in expenses, and promised that UKIP would provide expense details in future.

Furthermore, as Lazygun mentioned in the other thread, UKIP MEPs are quite happy to enjoy the benefits of the European parliament but very rarely bother turning up to vote or heeding their constituents' views.

Plus, did you watch that video of him going to Bulgaria and Romania? He was told in no uncertain terms by just about everyone he spoke to that they had no interest in coming to the UK, yet when he came back he fixated on this one conversation he had had with a priest somewhere who speculated that criminals might come to the UK. Despite all the evidence, his party continues to use scaremongering, sensationalist tactics.

I don't understand how anyone could place any trust in Farage.

[jomifl]

Naomi, Ukip seem to be very indignant that laws shoud be passed in the UK parliament which originated in the EU but in reality most of those laws are just to 'harmonise' regulations and standards Europe wide. I can't recall any laws that have offended the sensitivies or morals of UK citizens, or any campaigns to have these laws reversed..

[Gromit]

I have now watched the debate. I think Farage edged it.

I am on the pro EU side but I thought Clegg was terrible. He was repetitive, evasive and shifty. Questioned about his personal integrity, he just did not answer the question.

Farage went off message a couple of times, particularly his anti-British remarks about Ukraine, but the gaffes were quite small.

The debate will have benefitted garage's European Election campaign greatly. LibDem voters will not have been impressed, I suspect they are headed for a distant 4th place in May.

[Kromovaracun]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-paid-mistress-annabelle-fuller-out-eu-expenses-claims-mep-1440038

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-euro-3012708

[Kromovaracun]

" I thought Clegg was terrible. He was repetitive, evasive and shifty. Questioned about his personal integrity, he just did not answer the question. "

Doesn't surprise me. I've long despised Clegg. He is one of the most utterly useless human beings I can think of. He would have probably lost the debate if he was pitted against a cat. Made of clay.

[Farriercm]

If a Party Leader, Mr Farage can get such publicity on Prime Time TV ,When he has not got One Single MP in Parliment , NOT ONE. I think Mr Cameron and his fellow cons should keep looking over their shoulders and start thinking up a plan B, the clock is ticking towards 2015....Dave.

[slaney]

@LazyGun This is the Greek case you were looking for I think..
http://www.fairtrials.org/cases/andrew-symeou/
And a comment from Professor John Spencer on the case between 9 -12 minutes in - sorry it's a bit long but not everything can be encapsulated in a soundbite - as last night's debate showed.
http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/discussion/is-eu-criminal-law-a-threat-to-british-justice

[LazyGun]

@Slaney Many thanks for the link to the story about Simeou and especially to the link to Prof. John Spencer. Very informative :)

[jomifl]

Interesting link Slaney, when Farage is so obviously dependant on invented 'facts' it is difficult to see why anybody believes his blather and bluster but it seems that many do. I think Farage must have been done out of half a sou on a school trip to Bpulogne to have such an irrational hatred of Johnny Foreigner.

[Wharton]

Meanwhile, we're all waiting for Cameron to square up to Salmond. 1st round knockout?

[Farriercm]

Do you think he will send Glegg?.

[jomifl]

Wharton, don't pray too hard it may be a mutual knockout :o)

[Wharton]

jomifl, I would put you in against Salmond before Cameron :-)

[jomifl]

I'll take that as a sentence then :0)

[Orderlimit]

Lazygun, apologies, I gave you the wrong name earlier but I have just listened to the relevant bit of the debate and Mr Farage did say the name Andrew Symeou , as correctly identified by Slaney.

[LazyGun]

@ OL Thats ok. He could just have easily been referring to the case you gave a link to. Both cases featured the use of the european arrest warrant, and both cases featured an extended stay in jail following extradition.

But, reading the different links, and especially when viewing the Prof. John Spencer on Slaneys link, it does seem pretty likely that Mr. Farage was referring to the Simeou case.

[naomi24]

Retrocop, //Australia,Canada,New Zealand,U.S, can cherry pick their useful immigrants.Why can't Great Britain?Because they are not part of the EU and we unfortunately are. //

Exactly the point - and that can also be applied to rules and regulations. Well said.