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So Boris wants to be an MP now, as well a Mayor, Says he can do both jobs. May as well have another bite of the cherry Boris, typical Con.
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There ain't no 'points wins' in British politics, mate! I can but repeat the fact that, but for Clegg, Cameron would have had merely the briefest of tenures at 10 Downing Street. You appear to have forgotten that Clegg did have talks with Labour too in 2010, so it's conceivable that good old Gogsie Brown might have been there to this day as well! Surely that would...
11:45 Thu 24th Apr 2014
Nowhere in law or constitution(yes I know unwritten yada yada yada) is it specified how to "win" an election. I'm just talking logically using the English definition of the word. Overall majority is of course preferable, in boxing terms we'd call that a win by KO, the Tories had a points win in 2010.
There ain't no 'points wins' in British politics, mate! I can but repeat the fact that, but for Clegg, Cameron would have had merely the briefest of tenures at 10 Downing Street.
You appear to have forgotten that Clegg did have talks with Labour too in 2010, so it's conceivable that good old Gogsie Brown might have been there to this day as well! Surely that would qualify as one of your mythical 'points wins', too.
You appear to have forgotten that Clegg did have talks with Labour too in 2010, so it's conceivable that good old Gogsie Brown might have been there to this day as well! Surely that would qualify as one of your mythical 'points wins', too.
Whatever you say of our current discussion, I certainly believe Cameron and cronies are "a busted flush" and I have today already told you twice "how he got there", though you presumably knew that anyway; namely, because Clegg clearly preferred the deal HE offered to the one offered by Labour and for no other reason.
If you think that's a "win" of any sort, you're deluded; it's nothing but a murky compromise. The Times cartoon on the day showed the front of LibDem HQ with a red light burning above the door and a note saying, "Ring twice and ask for Nikki"...a pretty clear indication of the exact sort of 'relationship' that had been arranged.
Do try this mantra as a start to your days: "Without Clegg, Cameron's future as Prime Minister would have been short indeed!" You can throw in an 'om' or two to give it the authentic Zen atmosphere.
If you think that's a "win" of any sort, you're deluded; it's nothing but a murky compromise. The Times cartoon on the day showed the front of LibDem HQ with a red light burning above the door and a note saying, "Ring twice and ask for Nikki"...a pretty clear indication of the exact sort of 'relationship' that had been arranged.
Do try this mantra as a start to your days: "Without Clegg, Cameron's future as Prime Minister would have been short indeed!" You can throw in an 'om' or two to give it the authentic Zen atmosphere.
You have already said yourself that even wihout the deal he would have been forming a governement. ""Without Clegg, Cameron's future as Prime Minister would have been short indeed!"
so you admit he won a general election and would have been PM regardless. No amount of your semantic BS will convince me that the party that won the most seats somehow did not win the election. However short lived, however fragile, even you can see that the player wih the most seats won.
So you say that unless you get an overall majority there is no winner?! Cobras!
so you admit he won a general election and would have been PM regardless. No amount of your semantic BS will convince me that the party that won the most seats somehow did not win the election. However short lived, however fragile, even you can see that the player wih the most seats won.
So you say that unless you get an overall majority there is no winner?! Cobras!
If a party doesn't get an overall majority in a British general election, it hasn't "won" that election, end of.
Of course, by practising the black arts of politics and performing various manoeuvres and shenanigans...effectively, greasing someone else's palm in one way or another...a party leader MAY wheedle his way into power, but that's not "winning".
If a football team wins a match by scoring the only goal of the game as a result of a penalty gained by diving, they haven't "won" the match in any true meaning of that word, they've stolen it!
Of course, by practising the black arts of politics and performing various manoeuvres and shenanigans...effectively, greasing someone else's palm in one way or another...a party leader MAY wheedle his way into power, but that's not "winning".
If a football team wins a match by scoring the only goal of the game as a result of a penalty gained by diving, they haven't "won" the match in any true meaning of that word, they've stolen it!
You're right, he would have been PM...for weeks perhaps!
As I have also said earlier, had Clegg found Labour's offer in 2010 more to his advantage than the Tories' one, Gordon Brown would have been Prime Minister to this day just as Cameron now is. There is not a shred of flawed logic in that claim; it's a no-brainer!
Incidentally, there are two ways of looking at the phrase "most seats". In one of these senses, after 2010, the electorate had allocated 307 Tory seats and 343 NOT-Tory seats. That's why Cameron didn't "win" it.
As I have also said earlier, had Clegg found Labour's offer in 2010 more to his advantage than the Tories' one, Gordon Brown would have been Prime Minister to this day just as Cameron now is. There is not a shred of flawed logic in that claim; it's a no-brainer!
Incidentally, there are two ways of looking at the phrase "most seats". In one of these senses, after 2010, the electorate had allocated 307 Tory seats and 343 NOT-Tory seats. That's why Cameron didn't "win" it.
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