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'what Would My Old Dad Make Of The Country We've Become?'

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anotheoldgit | 09:04 Sat 10th May 2014 | News
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2624678/Richard-Littlejohns-lost-world-The-Mails-incomparable-columnist-born-welfare-dependence-immigration-elfnsafety-asks-What-old-Dad-make-country-weve-become.html

There are many on AnswerBank who dislike Daily Mail columnist
Richard Little John, but maybe might still find this an interesting look back at how things once were.
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If you weren't around at the time that this Richard Littlejohn was writing about why don't you take more notice of people who were..Some of you on here are only too ready to mock and poke fun at the 40s/50s. God knows what some of you will have to look back on when you are old and grey! Well let's see ---You will have Twitter, facebook ,ipad, ipod, tablets, kindles...
20:27 Sun 11th May 2014
I don't like Richard Littlejohn, that's not a secret, but it's his journalistic skills, or woeful lack of them, that really offend me. This is just an advert for himself, nothing more.
Cheer up, don't take everything so personally, it's only 'tinterweb- people will diverge from your opinion about lots of things:)
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DrFilth

Yes and innocent young men could be snatched from the streets and press ganged into the Navy, ah yes the bad old days.
up north we did not have that problem aog as the ship canal did not open until january 1894 and i think they had stopped the press gangs before that
If you weren't around at the time that this Richard Littlejohn was writing about why don't you take more notice of people who were..Some of you on here are only too ready to mock and poke fun at the 40s/50s. God knows what some of you will have to look back on when you are old and grey! Well let's see ---You will have Twitter, facebook ,ipad, ipod, tablets, kindles computers, online shopping etc.,mobile phones,
Black faces, yellow faces , brown faces,Roumanian gypsies ,
Burkhas, Islam, Terrorism, immigrants, Halal meat, mosques ,religion or lack of it.
Unemployment, benefit cheats, housing repossessions, energy bills , food banks.
Free schools, private schools , academies, Islamic schools, faith schools
Gay marriage, single parents, divorce, neglected children , fostering and adoption,abortion,surrogate mothers
Sex education (not that it's doing much good) , gay sex, one night stands,marriage settlements, under-age sex.
Muggings, gun crime, attacks and killing with knives ,arson, parents murdering their own kids ,Kids murdering their parents. kidnapping, modern day slavery.
Young people committing suicide, hospital patients being murdered ,old people in care homes being abused by the carers.
These are only a few of the topics you younger ones will be talking about when you are older.
We have no choice but to move with the times(unless you want to become a hermit) and I know you 'can't put old heads on young shoulders' but I would happily go back in time if it was possible . And once again---if you weren't around back then in the 'good old days' please don't be so derisory about them.

andres

So people aren't allowed to comment on a time they have no experience of, and yet you are allowed to complain about "gay sex" which I'm guessing you have no experience of. As someone who has, I'd like to inform you that it's something perfectly worthy of looking back on. But still, feel free to go ahead and use the "experience" argument whenever it suits you.

Incidentally, what's wrong with the idea of my generation looking back favourably on Twitter/facebook? The internet has been a massive formative influence on my life - it has provided me with new sources of information, new opportunities, and ways of bonding with people important to me that I would not have otherwise.

You know what I'm NOT going to do when I'm older, though? I'm not going to pretend that my experience of the 90s/2000s is definitive - that my experience is the "true" one, and that any sources of information about the time are wrong just because I did not personally encounter it. Because that is incredibly arrogant and frankly rather stupid.

Finally - if you think that gay sex, people trafficking, or bad/negligent parenting did not occur in the 1950s, then I'm quite willing to call you deluded.
andres don't forget the huge bank bonuses -)
I only remember the good bits of my childhood in the 70s. I remember eating dinner at my nans but I don't remember eating dinner at home. Mother could have fed my chips everyday for all I know.

I just remember I was happy and played out most of the time. I didn't even watch TV.

My kids were pretty much the same. Come home, get changed, go out. I was so busy playing out I missed all the bad things in life, like my parents splitting up.
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Kromovaracun

/// You know what I'm NOT going to do when I'm older, though? I'm not going to pretend that my experience of the 90s/2000s is definitive - that my experience is the "true" one, and that any sources of information about the time are wrong just because I did not personally encounter it. Because that is incredibly arrogant and frankly rather stupid. ///

How do you know what you will do when you are older, you have no experience of being older, unless of course you have read it on the internet somewhere?
But equally, andres, I'm a parent of schoolchildren now- and many criticising the lack of discipline/fresh air/ violence "nowadays" are not experiencing that either. Their children have moved out, they are perhaps a bit out of date- and also going on "what they read". Everyone's experience is different- and the longer ago the memories are, the more inaccurate they'll be.
Some people place far too much emphasis on experience. What experience has anyone alive today of anything before about 1900? Precisely none. But the idea that this means that anything we say about that era is meaningless is just nonsensical. Because there are such things as sources, studies, a variety of personal accounts etc., that we can rely on and study to get a picture of life before we were born. The same applies of times in which people were alive today. Their experiences are only a part of the picture. We can rely on testimony from more than just you, AOG, for what life was like when you were young. And such paints a picture that is rather different.

Who am I to believe? One or two people's semi-coherent ramblings, that -- again, I must point this out -- echo the refrain of the older generation through the centuries that "things were better in the old days"? Or a huge volume of resources, such as many other personal testimonies, empirical data and research, and other such sources? Why should you be so surprised when I choose to pick the latter?

"How do you know what you will do when you are older"

Because I do the same thing now. I know full well that my own experience of the 2000s - as a young, male, resident of southern England - is not some kind of panoramic view that encompasses all of society. Does that mean I consider my experience worthless? No, of course not. It just means that I recognise my personal understanding of the time I live in is incomplete without drawing on other sources.

Unless I suddenly get a massively inflated opinion of myself or start considering my experience superior to others, I can't see that changing.
Just like to say to Krom0varacum-----I was not complaining about gay sex just pointing out some of the things you might be discussing in your golden years. Of course gay sex took place in the 'olden days'. It wasn't known as 'gay' sex then but I can't put the names that it was called then. I don't give a damn who you have sex with . And how dare you assume that I know nothing about such matters. 20 years working in a hospital with psychiatric patients means that I probably have a good insight into all kinds of human behaviour. Why do you have to be so aggressive . Can't you read the answer as it was intended . As an observation. Thankyou AOG for the best answer
'Kromovaracun'
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