Can We Be Sure That This Type Of Thing Is Only A Birmingham Matter?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-27024881

I like the headline though "Extremist 'takeovers' in Birmingham schools" much less offensive than just "Muslim 'takeovers' in Birmingham.

[naomi24]

//regardless of who 'runs' any school in Britain, the curriculum should be prescribed to a national standard and inspected. //

Spot on.

[mushroom25]

interestingly, there's another education controversy simmering in Birmingham; it concerns a faith school but is not connected to the alleged Trojan horse plot -
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-06-03/faith-school-turns-away-emergency-governors/

evidently during their inspection last year OFSTED asked staff and pupils about attitudes to homosexuality and got chased off the premises. the result was "special measures" and a stand-off as the local authorities tried to replace the governors.

[THECORBYLOON]

DIVEBUDDY the question was posed to ANOTHEOLGIT and I have no reason to believe he has ever been a squaddie in Ulster. My question is about his attitude toward any Irishman or Ulsterman during The Troubles and whether he assumed THEY were potential terrorists.

[THECORBYLOON]

DIVEBUDDY, I wrote, 'ANOTHEOLDGIT, at the height of The Troubles, did you believe that every Irishman and every Ulsterman was a terrorist?'

[THECORBYLOON]

I think I see what you are getting at and you are querying my use of terrorist and 'potential terrorist.' Since terrorists do not normally identify themselves as such, if you believe someone to be a potential terrorist, to all intents and purposes you are treating them as if they ARE a terrorist.

[ummmm]

Naomi - My son is being taught RS by an Atheist in a Catholic school.

[THECORBYLOON]

I am a potential astronaut but I think it very unlikely that I will ever sit in a spacecraft. I am not aware that anyone has been identified at birth as being a murderer but everyone is a potential murderer or a criminal at the very least. There are risks involved in most things and procedures are put in place to reduce those risks to an acceptable level.

If every Muslim IS a potential terrorist, why is every Muslim not stopped and searched as a matter of routine? Why are the homes of EVERY known Muslim not searched every day? If they ARE potential terrorists, why are they allowed to mix with non-Muslims and not segregated where the powers that be can keep an eye on them? What about making them wear a symbol to identify them in public?

[THECORBYLOON]

If everyone is a potential murderer then they are all equally potential terrorists but I don't see millions of Britons classed as potential murders or Christians treated as potential terrorists and that is the difference.

[emmie]

Brenden, they are already here, sorry this won't be a wake up call,
we have already seen that there are some who want and get segregation of the sexes in schools, and universities, due to their religious beliefs,
that should never happen, and any school unless its a single sex establishment should never permit it. My feelings are that religion should be immediately taken out of all schools, it won't happen its far too entrenched. It brings nothing but trouble and this won't go away, unless some in our government wake up and do something.

[mushroom25]

latest news here, seems the OFSTED report (or parts of it) have been leaked:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-27676759

of course, since academies are Mr Gove's educational direction of choice the report will, when officially released, be summarily dismissed.

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

/// I think you would agree there were more examples of terrorist incidents on a daily basis in some parts of Ulster than there have ever been in a year or more in Great Britain. There were paramilitaries walking the streets and it would be right for the squaddies to have been on their guard in your example but had the very same thing happened in Aberdeen, it's unlikely they would have had similar thoughts. ///

The time period is of little importance, but what is, is the fact that there are continuous threats on our streets and one does not have to go to Aberdeen to be made aware of this, the savage murder of a plain clothes squaddie in Woolwich, is proof of that.