Cameron

[Farriercm]

The leader of the Coalition , said on the Andrew Marr show BBC.
All imigrants who arrive in the UK, must leave the UK , if they have not,
found a job within six months. Who are you kidding Mr Cameron?? ha ha ha.

[mikey4444]

Keep going Gromit...you have a head of steam behind you now !

I am enjoying this !

[Gromit]

The only way Cameron can keep his new promise (to remove jobless Europeans after 6 months) will be to change the rules of the EU. But the EU will never agree to that, so the promise is 100% guaranteed to fail.

[naomi24]

Gromit, I take your point, but alarm bells didn’t ring in this country until the latest members were given free rein to come here. According to Migration Watch, in 2004 approximately 9% of people living in the UK were born abroad. That figure now stands at just over 12% with numbers from Europe for the first time exceeding those from the rest of the world. As I said, the only way anyone can control immigration is by changing the rules we are currently obliged to abide by. That said, if Cameron does attempt to remove people who cannot support themselves, more power to him. After years of Labour’s open door policy, it’s high time someone made the effort!

Mikey, you make yourself more a fool with every post – and that isn’t sarcasm.

[ToraToraTora]

doesn't matter who is in power or what they say, they do not run the country anyway. The PM of the day may well want to control immigration and probably could if they had some bottle but the whole whinning anti British mafia coupled with our EU enemies make it difficult to control immigration. That is one of many reasons why we must take control of our borders and tell the EU to get stuffed. Oddly enough the only law in the EU that actually helps us is the one we do not use. Odd indeed.

[Gromit]

// alarm bells didn’t ring in this country until the latest members were given free rein to come here. //

Not true. 2004 accessions were fare more significant than the recent ones. Also from Migration Watch

// The accession of eight East European countries (A8 countries) to the EU in 2004 led to a significant increase in the inflow of EU citizens to the UK. The average annual Long-Term International Migration (LTIM) inflow of EU citizens (excluding British citizens) for 2004-2012 was around 170,000, compared to 67,000 during 1997-2003. //

[Gromit]

The whole context of Cameron's pledge to reduce immigration to the 1990s level was that Labour had been caught out by the numbers of Eastern Europeans who came here after 2004. Labour widely under estimated the numbers. The alarm bells went off then, not after the 2010 election. Cameron was promising to turn back to the pre-2004 levels, but he was conveniently forgetting that the countries admitted to the EU in 2007, would be able to come here. It was an empty promise, as is today's 'promise'.

[mushroom25]

mr Cameron is bound by rules he can't change, but I doubt that reducing immigration is a promise his party would keep even if it was possible -

- I suspect the risk of mr disgusted of tunbridge wells launching teddy on a short flight from pram to pavement has been adjudged smaller than that of not being able to get a cheap car wash, or cheap childcare.

[naomi24]

Gromit, 2004 may have led to a significant increase in the inflow of EU citizens to the UK, but I see no indication in that report of alarm bells ringing as they most certainly did in the run-up to 2014. I can't really see what this discussion is achieving, so perhaps it's time to move on.

[Gromit]

Yes, we will have to agree to disagree.

[Farriercm]

Naomi, why do you keep shooting yourself in the foot?-------,
ref your foot note to Mikey .

[sp1814]

Gromit's analysis seems to be pretty much spot on here.