and one thing that these people don't get is that is has to be diet, and exercise, and keep at it, because it just doesn't go otherwise. There was a very good programme on last night, two young brothers, both doctors doing an experiment on diet, what works on fat, sugar, its too long to explain - but the evidence simply shows that it's the deadly combination of foods we love that have high concentration of combined sugar and fats that are doing the damage, as we get fatter...