Thinking About It.

[teacake44]

Had my NHS number come for my jab, and to book. Well I can't make my mind up. Why, because its only the UK who have decided to stretch the second dose past three weeks, and Pfizer have not commented on that decision ???

[woofgang]

I kind of don't understand your issue......it will be a while if ever before you get a choice. I am not sure whether people, who refuse an appointment when one is offered, will be offered a second chance in this phase of vaccination. The issue (if there is one) with the lengthened gap with either vaccine seems to be about continued protection. No one is disputing that most of the protection comes from the first dose....The 3 likely outcomes, as it seems to me are
1. The increased gap makes no difference.
2 the increased gap improves efficacy duration hoorah.
3. The increased gap shortens the duration of the protection.
In case 3 then surely the worst that can happen will be that the second jab will behave like a first jab and people will need a third jab or a dose of a different vaccine?
In every case vaccinated people will be safer than unvaccinated? As people who are enrolled in the ongoing vaccine research hit their 12 week point and their antibody levels are tested, then more will be known and also the number of covid infections in thatr group will also be being counted.
So even if its the worst case scenario its still a win?

[bednobs]

as far as i know the new "one dose" vaccine has not even been approved for use in the UK yet, and even if it is doses will not be available for another six months

[Zacs-Master]

The choice is some protection v none. Only an idiot would stake the former. It really is that simple.

[Zacs-Master]

Latter, sorry.

[alavahalf]

You have a lot less time left on this earth than you started out with .. Imagining you are some sort of Scientist could leave you with a great deal less.

[teacake44]

Its simple, the vaccination is not being administered as advised by Pfizer. Its a UK government decision. Some of the decisions made by this government in the last twelve months have been a disaster to say the least, hence my hesitation. Let me see the powers that be, such as Matt Hancock and Boris be administered the same vaccine in the same way as they are advising, and may be I will follow. Again I repeat no comment from Pfizer on this government decision, WHY?

[woofgang]

they did comment. They said they had no data. I really don't understand what you are worried about? Did you read my yesterday's post?

[bobbinwales]

teacakes comments just reflect his/her distrust and dislike of Hancock which is understandable but int his case would be cutting off your nose to spite your face

[teacake44]

Yes I did read it, interesting that you say the worst that can happen is one may need a third dose. When does one find that out? when you're already in ICU because they didn't do what it said on the tin.

[teacake44]

bobbs distrust? your dead right!!!

[elliemay1]

Had similar concerns but went ahead with my first Pfizer jab yesterday, the next one is in April. IMO it's better to have some protection than none. I regretted not going for the flu vaccine so decided I wasn't going to reject this one

[woofgang]

Question Author "Yes I did read it, interesting that you say the worst that can happen is one may need a third dose. When does one find that out? when you're already in ICU because they didn't do what it said on the tin."

Is that worse than ending up in ICU now because you had no vaccine at all? remember that the research cohorts are still being monitored and once the 12 weeks have passed there will be more information.

[teacake44]

ellie, I wish you all the best. But as woofgang says in his 21.47 post, Pfizer have no data on stretching the vaccine out to 12 weeks. That in its self leads me to believe that the government are gambling on this working, I would rather it be me to make a decision/ gamble on my life not the UK government. I have this horrible gut feeling that the government are just hell bent on producing high vaccine figures, no matter how, to me this is a wrong way to go about getting a feather in ones cap.

There's a saying that's been going round for years, a true one, but sadly one that's not very often practiced now. A job worth doing is worth doing well, or if your going to do a job, do it right, or you may have to do it again. Would you half bake a cake, take it out the oven and leave it for three months before finishing it off?

[woofgang]

terrible analogy..... I would bake one cake, save some of the soaked fruit and use it 12 weeks later!

[teacake44]

12.40 If the government follow the instructions provided by Pfizer by giving the second dose within three weeks there's less chance that anyone will end up in ICU.

[Sqad]

teacake..everyone has got your point and I have some sympathy......some.
Brits say, 2nd jab in 3 weeks, then on presumably scientific advice say no, you arecssfe for 3 months.
What do Pfizer say? " Keep us out of this"

There you go teacake, be a good boy and take your medicine.

[teacake44]

12.46 Terrible in your view? Half the ingredients / fruit would result in a poor outcome, or at the very least a different taste.

[margarettom]

If the government had stuck to the three week gap, less people would be vaccinated, so more ending up in hospital probably. I’m just grateful that, at 75, I’ve had my first jab and think this post is just an anti government rant. If you don’t want it, don’t have it. Someone else will be grateful.

[teacake44]

Sqad I only take medicine according to the instructions on the packet.

[Sqad]

LOL....teacake I know! I know!