men liking young girls or at least the young girl LOOK...

[joko]

i have been talking to a number of male friends lately, an a number of them have expressed a liking for 12-14 year old girls...

they also prefer their girlfriends to be pubicly shaved

and also love the idea of school uniforms

all were quite clear in stating they wouldnt dream of actually doin anything with an underage girl - they just like the look of them

and to be clear it is not prepubescent girls...its young 'women'

is this common? i knew some liked it...but had no idea how common it was...

is this due to how things were for them when they first discovered girls perhaps...?
ie, their first crushes, their first girlfriend, their first even thoughts of girls perhaps...and its a kind of almost nostalgia...?.

id be interested in genuine answers from men please.

(please no 'paedophile' rants...im aware of this aspect already...i want genuine thoughts, whether 'wrong or right')

thanks

[legendis.god]

Seems youre overly interested in this.
dunno if ur male or female.

but i dont think dwellin on the subject really will make any difference.
It strikes me as a perversion.
Some perversions may be thought ok in the privacy of your home with consenting adults.

Adults being the main point.
I do have to agree with boo thta noone in their right mind would agree with htis and if they did to themselves privately then i think they need some sort of psychiatric help.

[joko]

i also suspect that some may not really have meant it...just more been acknowledging that they can see why some might....and almost a kind of jokey 'comraderie' - if you get wht i mean there

... i expect a few would have said deep down, if pushed, no they dont really, its hard to say..it wasnt an ideal situation for real discussion

perhaps because one admitted it ..the others felt 'ok' to agree...

[Billy-Hunt]

joko
Wed 18/02/09
18:57 Question Author

yeh i did, but they kind of just shrugged and because we were in the pub we didnt get too deeply into it...not really the right circumstances...
.......................................................
Speaking as the father of a 13 girl what are the


right circumstances... ...... .....???

[joko]

legend..im female

i am not dwelling nor overly interested..i wasnt aware i had to be to ask a question here

i am also not trying to make any difference...i am curious so i asked about it...it is allowed.

you are missing the point i am asking about

[joko]

ffs

billy...i meant the 'right circumstances' to get deeply into the conversation...people were laughing, drinking, being loud all around etc - you know...like in a pub...?

it was a friday night..an i wasnt going to start demanding answers and forcing them to discuss the matter in depth

[luxury]

oh Joko,

I've got to say that regardless of said 'circumstances' I would have questioned.

I then would have told them they were not 'normal' to state that 12-14 yr olds were sexually attractive.

I truly do not believe that is normal thought process for grown adult responsible men.

[johnny7]

The worrying thing is that if your male friends are thinking and talking about that subject then they are likely to say yes if they were offered it on a plate by a girl. Don't associate yourself with them any longer.

[legendis.god]

Joko im offski

if hey were talking like that and full of drink
well i wouldnt want them near any 12 to 14 year olds eh?

sorry i never said you couldnt discuss it
but as a father i find it disturbing and as awoman id expect you to as well.

perhaps not

but i certainly do.
im not about to get into a slaggin match with you over this

its weird , and not normal.

and not really a nice subject



goodbye

and good luck on your quest for information.

[joko]

luxury... i did ask...of course it did...but it was pointless...i was not getting anywhere...because of the circumstances...

given that most 14 year old girls, look like grown women - i.e, makeup, skimpy clothes, curvy and with breasts...how can you realistically say that a man cannot and would not find that attarctive - just because of her age?

he may dismiss the idea, and refuse to think about it...but nature is there...can he really look at her an say 'no, shes not in the least attractive'

if she lied an said she was 16 - would that make it ok?

i am playing devils advocate here - trying to see both sides, so merely saying its 'not normal' doesnt really help...

[joko]

no i know its not a nice subject and i do find it disturbing... but thats irrelevant and not the point im asking about

i am trying to UNDERSTAND why many men feel this way...

it exists, it happens, it is real... and i'd like to know why ...on a human, biological, natural, saxual level... not on a 'society and legal level'


the point im making is that visually these girls are usually shaped like grown women - they are curvy and have usually completed puberty

they often act like women too - so why is it so hard to understand why a man may like them..?

of course i know its wrong...and of course i am concerned about whther any one of them, despite their assurances, may one day take it further...

but if they did, would that make them GENUINE paedophiles...??

in my opinion, paedophilia is the sexual desire for children...
i.e, prepubescent children - who still LOOK like children

not someone who it 'technically' a child in law...but physically grown an has the appearnace of an adult...

i hope i am explaining what i mean properly

this is not a black an white issue

[36TEAK36]

Interesting question joko, and I am sure there are a lot of men who have seen your question and thought 'i really do not want to answer this one'. I will give it a try.

I dont think it is the age that most men like, I think it is how these young girls look nowadays.We all know there are definately men out there who are attracted to the age rather than the look, but I think these people are few and far between.

For example, my stepsister is 14, and I am not joking when I say she looks 20. It is not until you actually speak to her that you realise she is 14. She goes to pubs and clubs with her mates, and I know for a fact that she and her mates are sexually active as they seem quite blase about it (shocking, I know!). When I look at her friends I see pretty attractive young women, who definately do not look like the 14 year old girls I went to school with.

I dont think that looking at a 14 year old girl and finding her attractive is pervy, it's not as if I am lusting after them or intending to try and bed them (which I would definately consider pervy).

I am not a fan of the word Paedophile as I think it is often used out of context.To me a Paedophile is someone who molests little girls/boys, not a 17 year old who gets put on the sex offenders register for having consentual sex with a 15 year old. That said, if a 30 year old 'groomed' a 15 year on the internet for the purpose of sex, I would consider him a Paedophile.

As for the shaven haven look, I think it looks great. I have absolutely no idea why I like it, but I can promise you that it has nothing to do with the little girls.

[Solarjunkie]

Surely it's simply biology? A girl is (often) physically mature by the age of 13 or 14, able to make babies. Men are programmed to make babies, they will be attracted to females who look healthy and able to bear those babies. Society says "hold on! not yet! wait a couple of years!" and most people will adhere to that. But that doesn't stop the basic instinct.
There are of course other considerations when choosing a partner, but that is the simple reason for the initial attraction. Paedophiles are attracted to undeveloped, immature, non-fertile persons, which is completely different.

[brenda]

joko-----I find your friends quite scary , hope they don't live near to any 12--14 yearold schoolgirls.!!!!!
A s to why some men think in this way I really have no idea,probably because I have never met any men who would have this conversation with a group of mates in a pub.
Private fantasies are one thing ,as is personal sexual taste, but bandinage in a public bar can only be to me anyway lewd and vulgar in the extreme.

I wouldn't want mates like that , I would always have real doubts as to what was fact and what was fiction in their lives .

[joko]

brenda - i fail to see that it has any relevance whatsover to this subject, where the discussion took place...
can't really understand why thats an issue

it was just a conversation - they weren't being lewd or vulgar at all - and believe me, you would be surprised by the sorts of things men talk about...

from what you have said it would appear you are suggesting that its ok - as long as they dont tell anyone and keep it private...!!

[Postdog]

I agree with Teak and solar. It isn't perverted, as it is a natural instnct - if the girls (or rather YOUNG WOMEN with all their bits and bobs where they should be) hit your buttons, all you are doing is reacting to your genetic make up.

Doing something about it though if you know their age (and you don't always if all you are doing is looking) isn't on.

I once ogled a right cracker, only to be told she was 13. How was I to know I shouldn't fancy her because of her age when I was going by the physical only and her being a babe!.

[joko]

solarjunkie...thanks, yes thats a good point...nature states that 14 year olds are physically ready to breed

it is only our society thats says the age is 16 - but thats for wellbeing and mental reasons, not physical.

i suppose nature instills that desire in men...and no amount of laws and societal disapproval can change that...

[joko]

lol postdog...
i agree...the issue here i suppose is control..as soon as you discovered her age - you still found her attractive - but knew you could not pursue it any further...thats being a responsible adult
as i say none of these guys have or intend to actually do anything

i wonder if its anything to do with them having 'cute' line-free, babysoft skin...?

or would men even notice that really?
i refer mainly to the mention of the 12 year old. here.. because althought many 12 year olds are developed...many also aren't...
could this just refer to the guys who like women with more 'boyish', slim figures?
i know a bloke who all his girlfriend are always very skinny, with no figure and flat chests... they are still feminine...but thats his taste...i also know a guy whose girls are always large an curvy...

i can kind of understand the 14 year old thing...but the 12 years old thing is harder to grasp

(though it is entirely possible that they werent really thinking too hard about the age limits and just 'guessed' at 12 as being the youngest they would look at...

strange as it may seem...i actually cant think what a 12 year old girl looks like to be honest...(i went through puberty at about 8, so i can't use that as a gauge really - i looked about 18 when i was 12..but thats an exception )

[Whickerman]

You're possibly reading too much into this.

Liking a shaved ladybits is not anything to do with liking kids. It's just tidier and more hygienic, and visually nothings hidden - men are sexually attracted to visual images, hence porn.

next:
It's not my bag, but there's a reason that Britney Spears' video for Baby One More Time was hugely successful - a lot of men like the 'schoolgirl look'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9tZDWznvJs&fea ture=related

In Japan, school uniform fetish is one of the more common. As I say, not my thing - frankly i like mature looks - but it seems the attraction is the full-grown adult dressed as an innocent, rather than the actual schoolgirls.

That said, your mates could just be pervs.

[joko]

whickerman...i agree...those are good reasons why these things are popular...and for the most probably the main reason...but for every 10 men who like for those reasons...there surely must be a few who like it because they are fantasizing that they are with a young schoolgirl - and this is the only way they can legally do it...?

incidentally..i wouldn't say i was reading much into anything...i am just asking the question... i am not suggesting likig those things instantly means a man is a closet paedo...i'm just wondering what the reasons might be... other than just a bit of role play...