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How Did The Religions Of Christianity And Islam Get Spread?
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How did the religions of Christianity and Islam get spread?
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// 'By the time of the crusades were fought - in order to recapture the Holy Land - Christianity was already very firmly established.'
Then why were they necessary? //
For the same reason terrorism under the pretence of religious fervour works for Muslims now, it worked for Christians then - some people like killing people, and they feel better if they can pretend to justify it to themselves by saying they are doing 'God's work'.
Always more comofrtable looking in a mirror and saying "I am a Crusader ... " than "I am a psychopath who likes going to foreign countries and killing people for not thinking like I do."
Then why were they necessary? //
For the same reason terrorism under the pretence of religious fervour works for Muslims now, it worked for Christians then - some people like killing people, and they feel better if they can pretend to justify it to themselves by saying they are doing 'God's work'.
Always more comofrtable looking in a mirror and saying "I am a Crusader ... " than "I am a psychopath who likes going to foreign countries and killing people for not thinking like I do."
So you agree, they were Holy wars, Andy?
The catalyst was the fact that Islam had gotten a foothold again in the far east of the Med. The Crusades intended to re establish Christianity in those areas. The methods, as with most religions, was deplorable but that doesn't alter the fact that Naomi was wrong to say what she said.
The catalyst was the fact that Islam had gotten a foothold again in the far east of the Med. The Crusades intended to re establish Christianity in those areas. The methods, as with most religions, was deplorable but that doesn't alter the fact that Naomi was wrong to say what she said.
Zacs - // So you agree, they were Holy wars, Andy?
The catalyst was the fact that Islam had gotten a foothold again in the far east of the Med. The Crusades intended to re establish Christianity in those areas. The methods, as with most religions, was deplorable but that doesn't alter the fact that Naomi was wrong to say what she said. //
I agree entirely.
Naomi's notion that Christianity was spread by word and text and Islam by war is a simplification that is so far-fetched it doesn;t deserve a response.
Any religion using violence to enforce its message is as bad as any other - and that applies to the Crusaders every bit as much as it did the Muslims.
The catalyst was the fact that Islam had gotten a foothold again in the far east of the Med. The Crusades intended to re establish Christianity in those areas. The methods, as with most religions, was deplorable but that doesn't alter the fact that Naomi was wrong to say what she said. //
I agree entirely.
Naomi's notion that Christianity was spread by word and text and Islam by war is a simplification that is so far-fetched it doesn;t deserve a response.
Any religion using violence to enforce its message is as bad as any other - and that applies to the Crusaders every bit as much as it did the Muslims.
naomi - // AH, one more thing. Your last post is grossly misleading. I’ve given the reason the crusades were fought - to reclaim the holy land. //
Since you weren;t there, you don;t have first dibs on stating the reasons for the crusades, and then acting as though your version is the only one which can be correct - that is arrogant in the extreme.
// That’s me out of here. //
Call again soon - when you realse that saying something doesn't make it the truth - just your opinion.
Since you weren;t there, you don;t have first dibs on stating the reasons for the crusades, and then acting as though your version is the only one which can be correct - that is arrogant in the extreme.
// That’s me out of here. //
Call again soon - when you realse that saying something doesn't make it the truth - just your opinion.
Sunk - //
A bit simplistic AH, //
Quite possibly - but unlike naomi I am prepared to reason my argument, not state it as a fact and then get huffy when people don't simply accept it because I said it.
// Wars are fought for power, resources and profit.
They might have used the difference of ideas as an excuse, but the main difference was the difference in bank balances. The winners of wars took all. //
That doesn;t actually negate my point - it simply adds another dimension. The byproduct of the Crusades was undoubtedly a haul of booty, but I still maintain that the main reason offered - spurious though it is - was to wage a 'holy war' - and as I pointed out, that is the supposed motivation behind the terrrorism we have to live with now.
Wanting to kill strangers because they are different is as old as mankind, and in some cases, so are the excuses.
A bit simplistic AH, //
Quite possibly - but unlike naomi I am prepared to reason my argument, not state it as a fact and then get huffy when people don't simply accept it because I said it.
// Wars are fought for power, resources and profit.
They might have used the difference of ideas as an excuse, but the main difference was the difference in bank balances. The winners of wars took all. //
That doesn;t actually negate my point - it simply adds another dimension. The byproduct of the Crusades was undoubtedly a haul of booty, but I still maintain that the main reason offered - spurious though it is - was to wage a 'holy war' - and as I pointed out, that is the supposed motivation behind the terrrorism we have to live with now.
Wanting to kill strangers because they are different is as old as mankind, and in some cases, so are the excuses.
Yes, I agree with the comparison.
Pope Urban didn’t want the Christian Holy Lands to be Muslim controlled, so he sent a bunch of stupid indoctrinated Jhadists from Europe to reap terror on Jerusalem.
Al qaeda’s aim was throw the Americans out of Mecca and the holy sites of Islam. (The US had gone to Saudi during the Gulf War).
However, I don’t think Bush’s war on terror was about “wanting to kill strangers because they are different” and more about oil, profit, the US economy - Money.
Pope Urban didn’t want the Christian Holy Lands to be Muslim controlled, so he sent a bunch of stupid indoctrinated Jhadists from Europe to reap terror on Jerusalem.
Al qaeda’s aim was throw the Americans out of Mecca and the holy sites of Islam. (The US had gone to Saudi during the Gulf War).
However, I don’t think Bush’s war on terror was about “wanting to kill strangers because they are different” and more about oil, profit, the US economy - Money.
No argument here. Bush's 'war on terror' was one of the stupidest attempts to suck up to the electorate I have ever heard. Terror is a concept - you might as well have a 'war on sunshine' but that's just a bugbear of mine.
Bush wanted military control because the occupying army has control on the purse strings, and if he got a few votes by sounding tough, that wouldn't hurt.
Bush wanted military control because the occupying army has control on the purse strings, and if he got a few votes by sounding tough, that wouldn't hurt.
"Theland - // The Cancer in our midst. //
Interesting - you are getting huffy about being accused of overt prejudice on on thread, so here you are, underlining your attitude on another."
Ah yes, but in your warped view that's fine because he genuinely believes that Islam is a cancer, so is allowed to continue his odious posting with impunity.
Interesting - you are getting huffy about being accused of overt prejudice on on thread, so here you are, underlining your attitude on another."
Ah yes, but in your warped view that's fine because he genuinely believes that Islam is a cancer, so is allowed to continue his odious posting with impunity.
before the battle of Milvian Bridge, Constantine is said to have dreamt of a cross labelled "In this sign, conquer." He had his troops' shields inscribed with crosses, and won. Historians naturally wonder whether the dream evr happened; but the battle did, Constantine won and secured his position as emperor, and then ended persecution of Christians.
So yes, war kick-started Christianity in the Roman empire, which helped spread it abroad.
So yes, war kick-started Christianity in the Roman empire, which helped spread it abroad.
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