Educating Yorkshire ?

[anneasquith]

very interesting, but some of the pupils depicted should be ashamed of themselves, and I don't blame the school. just what values are these childrens parents teaching ( or not ) them ?

[viv38]

And no I never spoke to old people in that manner, and whether you believe it or not is immaterial to me !

[anneasquith]

BOO, ive never said I was godly, I was only remarking about the behaviour I saw on tv last night, which I thought was unacceptable,

[B00]

Yes it is unacceptable, but I took umbrage at your point that these kids weren't or aren't taught values.

I was just merely saying that as a kid I was taught 'em, but it didn't stop me being a git.

[anneasquith]

BOO. did you watch the programme ?

[B00]

It was on, but I wasn't paying much attention to it.

[Mamyalynne]

I watched it all Anne, try never to miss it, as I said earlier...

//I find the programme fascinating, it shows how hard the staff work to treat each pupil as an individual and not to give up on them, real dedication.//


The examples of behaviour were varied and some worse than others, each teenager is different - some lead, some follow.

Are they troubled, is it bad parenting?? We cannot judge on the brief bits of their lives we saw.

Kamrem, seemed to feel he had something to prove and was going the wrong way about it, including trying to play the 'race card' which the intuitive handling by the staff exposed as a lie.

Bailey, a very strong character had been traumatised by a facial dog bite as a youngster and her heavily applied make-up was to my mind a mask to protect her.


It is so easy to judge when we know next to nothing about these young people.

[DJHawkes]

I've not seen it yet, but there is no way on earth they could have been as bad as we were at the grammar school, it was horrific some days, when there wasn't a hoax bomb call or the science lab was closed due to spilt acid.

[quinie]

What time is this programme on tonight,please?

[Mojo-Jo-Jo]

I was a little sod at that age too Boo, but I'm not quite pensionable yet. Maybe that's it

[Mrsspagnoli57]

Though the programme was great and the head teacher wonderful-a real leader. The children portrayed were the usual teenage mix and were both infuriating and interesting-as teenagers are, especially Ryan, who was so moving in his reasons to be elected to the School council. Bad things happen nationwide-it isn't just Dewsbury teenagers and the boys involved did appear to be genuinely ashamed for their actions. The girls where 'characters' too-ok they wore make-up and expressed their opinions forcefully, but thankfully Mr Mitchell and his staff had faith in them and wanted them to do well. We tar many teenagers with the same brush-lets be a bit more open minded. A transgression in youth shouldn't be a reason to write them off. They would probably watch this programme a few years down the line and be ashamed of themselves too. As adults we can be too po faced about things that young people do-I've done it myself- and I'd be as angry as the next if something like that happened to my parents but there are far more positives about today's young than programme makers would have us believe. As for the supposed values of the older generation-tell that to the pensioner in the granny mobile who told my husband to pi~~ off after she'd bumped into him!

[quinie]

It seems this programme can't be seen in Scotland-perhaps that's why nobody could help me.

[zebo]

No-one has brought up one of the core issues, no-one is allowed to discipline these children. For every Mother as concerned and supportive as the one on last night's programme, there'll be many who come screaming, effing and jeffing, up to school to confront anyone who dares to confront their child's behaviour.
As for parents' rights to discipline their sprogs as they seem fit, a clip round the ear has been mentioned, my daughter was recently verbally attacked by a yummy mummy for telling my misbehaving granddaughter that she had lost her trip to the park because she hadn't done as she was told.
I recall my brother coming home from school late after a detention. When asked what he'd done to get the detention he replied Nuffing, to which my father asked Well what should you have been doing? That's parental support.

[Mrsspagnoli57]

Zebo- You are right about that-parents do need to show interest in what their children are doing and sadly-many don't.

[sherrardk]

Children of 'nice' parents can be the worse offenders as the parents refuse to accept that their little darlings can, in fact, be little sods.

[Mamyalynne]

Of course discipline is important, withdrawal of privileges and made to apologise and if possible make reparation for actions - if you mean physical discipline, then I do not believe Teachers want or need that responsibility.

Isolation, detention and exclusion may seem tame but it is a tool they use.

[quinie]

Thank you,Fringehead

[pusskin]

many thanks for link fringehead, really enjoyed that programme.

I dont think them children were quite as bad as i imagined them to be.
They all have to be given a chance and hope they can sort themselves out.

[Craftypig]

I have recorded it being a Yorkshireman myself I'm interested as how we will be portrayed however, whats worth remembering is that these children were very well aware of the fact that they were being filmed which is undoubtedly going to have an effect on their behaviour anyway.

[Ric.ror]

Watched it
Brilliant
Now watching harrow a very British school - it's not and I will watch educating Yorkshire again after to cleanse myself