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Harold Shipman Documentary
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Apart from being utterly gobsmacked at how many people he murdered, they’ve just said he was 56 when he was convicted. Am shocked - he looked at least 15 years older. And it still hasn’t said why he killed all those people.
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no or yes
they were nt the old and ill
and they werent heart-sink patients who were teeing him off
we dont know
he refused /failed to address his sins in prison
turning his back on his 'counsellor'
and his gaoler held a party to celebrate putting him on "bread and water" for non-compliance for the 50th time
( not in the prog) - but in the coroners inquest
the secty of state announced he had the power to deprive any e,ployee of his NHS pension if he was so minded -and he intended to use it. Shipman learnt from somewhere this power DIDNT apply to death-in-benefit hence the suicide, before age 60 when the pension would vest and therefore be deprivable ( not in the prog )
the gaolers were copying his letters and selling them to the newspapers which forced him to write to Primrose thro the solicitor ( privileged correspondence ) [ not in the prog]. The prison governor said in public he ( the gub'nor) was not responsible for what his employees did and anyway couldnt control them (NITP)
his early peth addiction - may not have been
it could have been the peth he was using to kill his patients - "the peth has disappeared because I was taking it myself." (NITP)
and it was this - if he had been struck off he wdnt na done it that caused the regulator (GMC) to say 'yes yes we really ARE a mass murderer detection outfit! yes indeedy!" instead of a licensee of medical schools and checker of practices - Oh God (NITP)
( and with the Glasgow bomber junior doctor they (GNC)said yes yes we are an antiterrorist detection organisation too! ) o god again - - NITP
The inquiry chair Dame Doo dah said her inquiry was NOT and never had been about regulation and the GMC, forgetting she had penned part V report on shipman and revalidation and forgot previously she had said:
" Shipman Inquiry chair Dame Janet Smith criticised the revalidation plans as inadequate for identifying bad or dangerous doctors, and the process was put on hold. But revalidation was never intended to catch another Shipman, as BMA council GMC working party chair Brian Keighley points out"
Shipman WAS indeed holding GP surgeries for the other prisoners and the prison officers might have been saying " watch out for the injection!" [ in the progamme ]
but in fact the cons were queuing up for Shipman as they trusted HIM more than the prison medical officers who they thought were ..... ( NITP)
so my co-watcher was treated to an hour of
well that isnt REALLY true
um yeah but no
Pontefract was a real con - you know there are no notes?
I am not sure about that
the doctor who was cosigner dobbed him in but was ignored. She was chosen because she was dying from cancer and so he couldnt sue if she were wrong (dead)
Dame doodah didnt say that - she said the opposite
they were nt the old and ill
and they werent heart-sink patients who were teeing him off
we dont know
he refused /failed to address his sins in prison
turning his back on his 'counsellor'
and his gaoler held a party to celebrate putting him on "bread and water" for non-compliance for the 50th time
( not in the prog) - but in the coroners inquest
the secty of state announced he had the power to deprive any e,ployee of his NHS pension if he was so minded -and he intended to use it. Shipman learnt from somewhere this power DIDNT apply to death-in-benefit hence the suicide, before age 60 when the pension would vest and therefore be deprivable ( not in the prog )
the gaolers were copying his letters and selling them to the newspapers which forced him to write to Primrose thro the solicitor ( privileged correspondence ) [ not in the prog]. The prison governor said in public he ( the gub'nor) was not responsible for what his employees did and anyway couldnt control them (NITP)
his early peth addiction - may not have been
it could have been the peth he was using to kill his patients - "the peth has disappeared because I was taking it myself." (NITP)
and it was this - if he had been struck off he wdnt na done it that caused the regulator (GMC) to say 'yes yes we really ARE a mass murderer detection outfit! yes indeedy!" instead of a licensee of medical schools and checker of practices - Oh God (NITP)
( and with the Glasgow bomber junior doctor they (GNC)said yes yes we are an antiterrorist detection organisation too! ) o god again - - NITP
The inquiry chair Dame Doo dah said her inquiry was NOT and never had been about regulation and the GMC, forgetting she had penned part V report on shipman and revalidation and forgot previously she had said:
" Shipman Inquiry chair Dame Janet Smith criticised the revalidation plans as inadequate for identifying bad or dangerous doctors, and the process was put on hold. But revalidation was never intended to catch another Shipman, as BMA council GMC working party chair Brian Keighley points out"
Shipman WAS indeed holding GP surgeries for the other prisoners and the prison officers might have been saying " watch out for the injection!" [ in the progamme ]
but in fact the cons were queuing up for Shipman as they trusted HIM more than the prison medical officers who they thought were ..... ( NITP)
so my co-watcher was treated to an hour of
well that isnt REALLY true
um yeah but no
Pontefract was a real con - you know there are no notes?
I am not sure about that
the doctor who was cosigner dobbed him in but was ignored. She was chosen because she was dying from cancer and so he couldnt sue if she were wrong (dead)
Dame doodah didnt say that - she said the opposite
did you enjoy the exhumation monologue ?
" Greater Manchester Police had never ever exhumed someone before. Big fing dat. I mean even the word is long - exhumation - I mean you spell dat ? Blimey makes me go dizzy dat does. I mean if it were ex-him-ation - den wiv Kathleen Grundy you know the one Shipman killed - it should be ex-her-mation innit ?
"and I mean how dja dig someone up ? You have to get a diggy machine and a digger to work it. where dat from ? And you cant do it in da back garden - you have to go where dead people are. Cemetery they call it. Lumme charlie. No wonder we aint done it before. None of this, get a grave digger and say "what you did before but in reverse" no way
"and a loud radio - playing what for chrissakes ? church music ? We chose da Turkish eurovision entry - "digi lay- digi lay". an you have to get da right geezer - half the people we dug up were men - you know how you can tell? ere one time me mate said "I fink dats a dog" an I said "a dog doesnt have a foo-foo like dat" - and he said my dog does.....
gor what a bleeding run around for one person"
I sat watching the prog with my eyes like dinner plates
[knitting]
" Greater Manchester Police had never ever exhumed someone before. Big fing dat. I mean even the word is long - exhumation - I mean you spell dat ? Blimey makes me go dizzy dat does. I mean if it were ex-him-ation - den wiv Kathleen Grundy you know the one Shipman killed - it should be ex-her-mation innit ?
"and I mean how dja dig someone up ? You have to get a diggy machine and a digger to work it. where dat from ? And you cant do it in da back garden - you have to go where dead people are. Cemetery they call it. Lumme charlie. No wonder we aint done it before. None of this, get a grave digger and say "what you did before but in reverse" no way
"and a loud radio - playing what for chrissakes ? church music ? We chose da Turkish eurovision entry - "digi lay- digi lay". an you have to get da right geezer - half the people we dug up were men - you know how you can tell? ere one time me mate said "I fink dats a dog" an I said "a dog doesnt have a foo-foo like dat" - and he said my dog does.....
gor what a bleeding run around for one person"
I sat watching the prog with my eyes like dinner plates
[knitting]
the second signers were screwed by the GMC
- you are very bad doctors because you didnt blow the whistle on that naughty Dr Shipman!
their defence ? "we did actually" - see above
ah - yes but not often enough!
we did more than once
prosecution collapsed or they were acquitted.
It wasnt all over the news because Shipman and the establishment had its own agenda - hence the completely and obviously ridiculous idea of the GMC, doctors regulator having a mass-nurderer and anti-terrorist function. - so obviously stupid that people gasped when they said it.
It was all to do with mandarins their pensions and gongs and doing what their master told them
- you are very bad doctors because you didnt blow the whistle on that naughty Dr Shipman!
their defence ? "we did actually" - see above
ah - yes but not often enough!
we did more than once
prosecution collapsed or they were acquitted.
It wasnt all over the news because Shipman and the establishment had its own agenda - hence the completely and obviously ridiculous idea of the GMC, doctors regulator having a mass-nurderer and anti-terrorist function. - so obviously stupid that people gasped when they said it.
It was all to do with mandarins their pensions and gongs and doing what their master told them
// it is the sadness of the relatives behind wondering why did it happen//
and the authorities saying 'yes yes we will search out the others with this magnificent untried thing called revalidation!"
and people asked - what others?
and the Great and Good said - we dont know ! but it might be as high as 2% ! and the completely out-of-it system called revalidation which is untried will identiry ALL of them. so lets just get on with it! it will work because we say it is gonna work
I note the program edited out the most off-the-wall ideas presumably on the grounds that after 20 y - "the govt cdnt have been saying 2% doctors were mass murderers - even tho it say exactly that in the newspapers - it is just not possible"
and the authorities saying 'yes yes we will search out the others with this magnificent untried thing called revalidation!"
and people asked - what others?
and the Great and Good said - we dont know ! but it might be as high as 2% ! and the completely out-of-it system called revalidation which is untried will identiry ALL of them. so lets just get on with it! it will work because we say it is gonna work
I note the program edited out the most off-the-wall ideas presumably on the grounds that after 20 y - "the govt cdnt have been saying 2% doctors were mass murderers - even tho it say exactly that in the newspapers - it is just not possible"
PP.....a little story for you...re complaints...3 wise men.
My registrar came to me making a complaint about the competence to practice of one of my colleagues. I explained to him that as this was a formal complaint I had to proceed and report it to one of the 3 wise men (Drs of Consultant status, well experienced and respected)
Problem was, I didn't know who they were. After asking around, it came to pass, that I (sqad) was one of the 3 wise men.
I didn't know.
My registrar came to me making a complaint about the competence to practice of one of my colleagues. I explained to him that as this was a formal complaint I had to proceed and report it to one of the 3 wise men (Drs of Consultant status, well experienced and respected)
Problem was, I didn't know who they were. After asking around, it came to pass, that I (sqad) was one of the 3 wise men.
I didn't know.
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