who would be a at fault if we had collided?

[joko]

a coule of weeks ago, i was parked at the side of the road in designated bays that do not block the road at all...just behind me was a bus stop, which is not a bay sort, so the bus blocks the traffic for a moment...

as the bus had only just stopped, the way was clear for me to pull out...i checked my mirrors and there was no car beside the bus....so i pulled out...but as i did a car overtook the bus and flew round into my lane.

we didnt collide but they beeped me...

to my mind, i have right of way here and i cant be expected to know that they are going to overtake the bus...i know they might do, but i cant sit and wait on the offchance ... you could not see a car overtaking from where i was, until its out the other side so itd have made no difference anyway...

surely they should have been aware that there may have been a vehicle in front of the bus and been ready to pause...
they are the ones performing a manouvre and moving into the wrong lane.

but if theyd hit me...who would have been blamed?

i think them...but am i wrong?

cheers

[joko]

peeler...if you dont understand the layout please stop commenting

[DTCwordfan]

and thats our point, neither did you show proper caution either..

[jno]

you don't know how much caution he showed; he might have been proceeding quite carefully (people always overestimate the speed of cars in accidents). Maybe you could persuade a judge he was a drunken maniac, maybe not; but your problem would be clearing yourself, not him. I don't think you'd succeed.

[PeelerPal]

look, you are 100% in the wrong, I have read and re read everything you have typed including the contradictions and I can assure you that unless he hit you exceeding the speed limit, which you cannot prove, the he has done nothing wrong but you should have waited for the bus to pull away before you did. you admitted you couldnt see past the us so therefore you shouldn't manouvre until safe to do so.

[joko]

ok, thanks so much for your input...please stop commenting because id like to hear from other people... some people feel you are wrong you see, so id liek to hear a mix of responses and ill make my mind up based on that

[joko]

and thats the problem and why i dont want your input peeler - 100%?? really?

you just sound petty and spiteful

[PeelerPal]

ok joko, very best of luck :)

[DTCwordfan]

Now there's a really constructive response, joko, most impressive piece of maturity and logic.

Peeler you could always comment on the bus driver's perspectives over on the other thread.

[boxtops]

Joko - if you looked in your rear and wing mirror before you indicated right and pulled out into the road from your parking space, and there was nothing behind you except the bus, no sign of anyone overtaking, then I would say that you were in the right. People shouldn't be overtaking unless they are sure that the way in front of whatever they are overtaking is clear. IMO.

[joko]

trim...thats what i was hoping to get...some knowledgeable answers based on law...not opinions, accusations and abuse

i have asked this to find out the truth in law, not to defend myself or be told i am right - but to told why i am wrong...

[TWR]

Joko, I have in my years of driving been & seen the position you have been in, I was not been nasty to you, what I am saying is, with respect to yourself, the bus is far larger than your car, for the bus to give him/her self room to get out from a tight position, there is no-way your mirrors could give you a clear sight what was overtaking the bus, BUT if you had pulled further forward in the bays you would have been able to see clearly what was coming up from behind & also you would have given the bus enough room for him/her to go around you if & when he / she was ready. the car that was overtaking the bus was already in movement by overtaking the bus, my honest opinion, if as said there was an investigation, I think you are to blame. Sorry. you also say that you cannot SEE A CAR from where you where!!!

[PeelerPal]

thanks DT, theres just no helping some people! I am a former police officer with years of experience but what do i know??

[joko]

yes boxtops, thats my take on the situatiion and thats what happened...indeed i was indicating so the bus knew i coming out,

i kept him in sight to be sure he didnt suddenly indicate right himself an pull out, and there was no one else there...

[EvianBaby]

Hi Joko, I looked on streetview at the postcode you provided because I couldn't really picture the scenario. I could see where all the cars are parked on the left, which is where you say you were when the bus pulled up behind you. I can't work out if the bus was directly lined up behind you or if it's position was behind you but over to your right and was still out in the road preventing the flow of traffic. However, a bus being in eihter of those positions would have blocked your view of anything coming from behind and I think you should have anticipated that vehicles would be overtaking the bus if there was no oncoming traffic preventing them from doing so. I can't see any reason why the driver of the other car should assume there would be something moving in front of the bus if it had just stopped.

On the other hand, if their had been an accident and they hit you, I wonder if the insurers would put them at fault. Although I maybe have the wrong impression that insurers always blame the person who hits the other car.

[jno]

there's no law that says only one person is to blame for an accident.

[DTCwordfan]

One conclusion, joko? Bet you don't do it again? - i,e, you will be more circumspect and that really is the learning lesson

Am I right or will you pull out in the same manner?

[joko]

TWR...i think you are misunderstanding...the bus did not need room to manouvre or pull out...or go round me...i was NOT in the bus's way at all...

the bus was stopped in the lane of traffic...NOT in a bus stop bay