Amy Winehouse Grammys.

[B00]

They have to be kidding me?

A well known drug addict gets "rewarded" with 5 Grammy awards?

Excellent example to our children!

[jno]

I think she got them for her singing rather than the quality of her drug-taking?

[Gromit]

It is an award for music not for drug taking.

The music is excellent.

[B00]

I know that jno, but I'm damned sure If I'd been caught with half of what shes taken, smoked, snorted whatever, I wouldn't be recieving awards of any kind!

I personally think it's disgusting that just because she's a good singer (questionable) that all her shennanighans involving illegal drugs are pushed aside.

[B00]

Ditto to grom ;-)

[teag1rl]

just caught a bit on tele this morning-does anyone know who hosted the grammy's? Can't find anything on google..
But I do agree with the others. As much as I hate seeing her in the news for drug stuff and it does annoy me that it is somehow glamorised, she has a great talent.

[Gromit]

Nothing new.

Billy Holiday, fantastic singer, drug taker and multiple entries in the Grammy Hall of Fame.

Didnt make your parents into drug addicts (I hope).

[jno]

I suppose they feel they can't discriminate on non-musical grounds; it'd be like refusing Helen Mirren the Oscar because she had a driving conviction. There is an argument that people shouldn't listen to Wagner because the Nazis liked him, or you shouldn't read Philip Larkin because he liked porn., but generally I think you should separate the person from the art. Though I admit I can't listen to Gary Glitter any more (but he damaged others, Winehouse only hurts herself.)

[B00]

Pah!

Still think im right and you're all wrong- rofl!

;-)

[raysparx1]

I know exactly what you are saying B00, and sort of agree with you, it is such a shame bacause she is without doubt a very talented girl, but obviously aslo has lots of problems, and if she doesn't get them sorted I don't think she will be around long. Same can be said of Dwayne Chambers in athletics, i think he shoud have been banned for life, but after winning yesterday, He wil probably be picked for the world indoor championships next month, unless the selectors get some backbone and don't select him, then he will sue them. I know he has served his ban, but not a great role model is he, nor sadly is Amy.

[B00]

Thank you Ray ;-)

I dunno, I guess I may be looking at all this the wrong way. It just annoys me that because they're rich, famous and relatively talented that issues as serious as drug taking are brushed aside, and they are usually described as "tortured geniuses"....which is rollocks, they are no better than your average smackhead, except they've got money to buy them out of trouble.

[Bewlay Bros]

Booster Girl, you know my views on druggies (if you don't, harbour a guess).

However I agree that her music is very. very good.

Amy, bless her little Jewish heart, therefore causes me a paradox of opinion whereby she simply polarises my views.

Cheers Ms. Winehouse.

PS, in a strange way I find her terribly attractive.

[raysparx1]

Hello B00, what you say makes alot of sense, and the way I see it is, to much money at a very young age and with money you can have whatever you want, so boredom sets in, you try drugs, and if you are of an addictive nature, thats it, the slippery slope. same with Kate moss and pete Doherty, also Britney spears, Just glad I am talentless and broke, so I will stay happy and drug free.

[jno]

her money hasn't bought her out of trouble - she's maybe a drug addict, her husband's being charged with perverting justice, and she's questioned over a video of her smoking something (but there is I suppose no way of telling what it was). But her whole life seems like trouble at the moment. However, she hasn't volunteered to be anybody's role model. It's the media that play the story up - to sell their own papers - when if it was you or me we'd be in just as much trouble, but nobody would notice.

[B00]

I disgree with you jno (and it does pain me to do so too!) but if it was me, I'd damned sure I'd lose my job and my parenthood would be brought into question and I'd be generally a pariah in my neghbourhood.

The point being Amy IS a role model, whether she wants to be or not. She's happy enoug to take in the money that fame brings with it, she should be prepared to take any flak that comes her way when she's caught doing anything questionable.

The facts are- she can afford to take herself off to rehab, and she was fortunate enough (due to her fame) to have the night off to perform in London for the Grammys. I'm also damned sure that whilst she's still in rehab she'll be allowed other perks, that the average joe wouldn't have.

[Bewlay Bros]

Booster Girl what you are trying to say is:

Fame, makes a man take things over
Fame, lets him loose, hard to swallow
Fame, puts you there where things are hollow
Fame
Fame, it's not your brain, it's just the flame
That burns your change to keep you insane
Fame
Fame, what you like is in the limo
Fame, what you get is no tomorrow
Fame, what you need you have to borrow
Fame
Fame, "Nein! It's mine!" is just his line
To bind your time, it drives you to, crime
Fame
Could it be the best, could it be?
Really be, really, babe?
Could it be, my babe, could it, babe?
Really, really?
Is it any wonder I reject you first?
Fame, fame, fame, fame
Is it any wonder you are too cool to fool

Fame
Fame, bully for you, chilly for me
Got to get a rain check on pain
Fame
Fame, fame, fame, fame, fame, fame, fame, fame, fame,

[B00]

Errrr, aye summet like that Wardy yes.....lol

[Gromit]

The list of talented individuals who were druggies or alchys is large. Not role models, but flawed geniuses many of them. In most cases their addictions were well known to the public.

George Best, Phil Lynott, Brian Jones, Keith Moon etc etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drug-rela ted_deaths

[andy-hughes]

I tend to be with jno on this one - I have pined my coloursd several times in the past.

I don;t agree that Amy Winehouse is a 'role model' of any kind. To be a 'role model' is to conciously advertise your lifestyle in the media as something desireable, and an example to others - something AW has patently never done.

If the media use her personal problems to sell papers, she can hardly be baled for that - the responsibility lies with our culture, which loves to follow someone famous until they do something wrong / bad / stupid / harmful, and then we point and tut.

I think she is really attractive, and a dynamite musician - her personal issues do not detract from that at all.

[jno]

I'm not really saying I'd have her around for tea and scones, B00, but I don't think you can split awards into Best Singer (Clean) and Best Singer (Druggie). It's not even like she's cheated her way to the title by taking drugs, like Chambers.

[raysparx1]

Thanks jno, that made me smile, might come to that one day eh.