If this has already been discussed, I apologize in advance

[Bobbisox]

http://www.guardian.c...-school-strike-pupils

who is actually to blame here, the parents?
or the Head Teachers, maybe their hands are tied and they want to have a good Ofsted report,

[jackthehat]

This is the Teachers' gripe.
Whatever they do........the Senior (I take that to be Head and Deputy Head) Management are undermining them.
And you know what teenagers are like......they'll exploit the tiniest hint of discord, tension; push the boundaries.
Strangely enough, the Head-teacher has not been available for comment...

[Davethedog]

Bobbi my wife works in a school, the Head there, who is deemed senior management, is an appaling manager. She plays favorites, employs friends, to the detriment of her pupils, makes decisions based on her feelings, rather than any principle and is appaling at social interaction.

She may be a great teacher, but she has never been management trained, this was fine 20 years ago, when someone else looked after the budgets, hiring and general management of the school but not today.

Its a case of councils not moving with the times and this school is paying the price.

[Bobbisox]

neither has her Union I don't think , jack

[ummmm]

Yes sqad...does that make a difference?

It's very easy to get excluded from the school as well. OH's nephew was excluded for swearing. Not at a teacher but in front of a teacher.

They also have IEU...Internal exclusion unit. They have to sit the whole day in a cubicle. They can only see in front of them. Then they have to do things like copy from the Bible.

[Bobbisox]

Dave I wouldn't like their job at all

[The-HouseHusband]

It is a sad fact that in today's society those that once had the power to discipline offenders now have their hands tied by all the red tape that has been put in place by the fluffy PC brigade.

It needs some strong people to stand up to these fools and show them that their so called ideals are undermining the very fabric of society. If we could get rid of the PC brigade and the Health & Safety fools then the country would run a lot smoother with less time lost to litigation and discipline problems.

[sandyRoe]

Thinking far back to my own school days, the teachers who were martinets got the best out of the pupils who wanted to learn.

[Bobbisox]

but the Teachers themselves would be right in saying it is not their job to discipline kids, ultimately it should be the parents

[Barmaid]

Sounds like your son's school has got it's Behaviour Policy and exclusion procedures down to a fine art, ummmm. This is the problem with a lot of schools - they know that excluding pupils has to be done properly and in accordance with the guidance. Procedural errors can result in reinstatement which undermines the whole process and allows unruly pupils to stick two fingers up.

It is right that there is an appeal process (I have seen some examples of emotion based kneejerk decisions rather than considered decisions after all the evidence which is wrong). If LEA's spent more time and money in training staff on how to deal with exclusions staff would not be so worried about getting things right.

The other issue of course is the huge amount of time that an exclusion takes - the last appeal hearing I was involved in took 5 members of staff out of school for 5 days. That's a huge impact on any teaching budget.

[Bobbisox]

if I went home and told my Dad I had detention, he would want to know why and he would never automatically assume I wasn't to blame, too many mamby pamby parents now

[Sqad]

ummmm.....it might do........Catholicism does breed respect on the whole.

THH...I agree entirely, but the bone of contention seems to be the value or otherwise of corporal punishment, but this leads to emotive comments such as cruelty and violence.

[ummmm]

Do these contracts we signed, both student and parent, hold any weight?

[Barmaid]

They do when it comes to any type of appeal against exclusion ummmm. One of the things that an Independent Appeal Panel looks at is the Behaviour Policy and how it is communicated to the staff, parents and students.

[mike11111]

Nothing new here. In 1995 I vowed that the next time a kid told me to F... Off I would do just that. Sure enough 4 days later it happened again so I took his advice and walked. Never looked back; I was a nervous wreck at the end, so different from when I started.

[rov1100]

These feral pupils are now turning into rioters as witnessed in London recently. If we want to keep our good teachers the government should do something about it but they don't seem to want to know.

'Spare the rod, spoil the child'

[Bobbisox]

sqad????? Catholicism does breed respect on the whole.

bit one sided there aren't you, I know of plenty of Protestant kids who respect their Peers too

[ummmm]

That's good then...

I really can't fault the school. If a child starts to be continuously naughty they first check if there is anything going on at home that might be effecting. And if there is they have support teachers.

[Bobbisox]

Mike where have you been????

[Sqad]

Bobbi.....agreed, but I was replying to ummmm´s question.

[mazie]

Yes...where have you been Mike, I've been worried