If this has already been discussed, I apologize in advance

[Bobbisox]

http://www.guardian.c...-school-strike-pupils

who is actually to blame here, the parents?
or the Head Teachers, maybe their hands are tied and they want to have a good Ofsted report,

[jackthehat]

It's the 'Senior Management'.
They are consistently undermining the authority of the teaching staff according to the local news reports.

[Bobbisox]

yes jack, what a dreadful situation though when Teachers are have to strike because they have been pushed about and verbally abused
I think it would not be wrong to make pupils put their mobile phone into their locker to get it out in "their" time and not that of the teacher although how this would be implemented is beyond me

[Sqad]

A gradual deterioration in school and parental discipline over a period of 40years, in my opinion, so what do you expect?

Many mothers that I have spoken to who had been teachers, would not encourage their children to enter the teaching profession at this present time.

[Bobbisox]

it's scary sqad,
in one case reported, a student told the teacher to F---off whilst he finished his texting

[sandyRoe]

If children can do pretty much what they like in their homes they're not going to take easily to discipline in school. The teachers need the backing of the authorities if they're trying to enforce order in the classroom.
It was a bad day for education when the cane was removed.

[Sqad]

sandy.....exactly right....the student that Bobbi commented upon would have been caned and probably expelled, depending upon the type of school.

The antagonists of caning lead us to believe that it´s abolition has bred a less violent society, but I have seen little evidence of that and also they have not offered a useful alternative.

[Bobbisox]

while I don't condone caning Sandy, it never did us any harm

[Bobbisox]

do you think law and order is breaking down in theis country?

[Old_Geezer]

Not that I'm in a position to know, but from what I read it seems that discipline isn;t allowed in schools these days. If a teacher looks at a pupil 'funny' doesn't the pupil's parents sue and the teacher get taken out of school? Or have I misunderstood all the reports?

[sandyRoe]

They didn't cane girls, did they?

[Sqad]

sandy....I think the male teachers just lifted up the skirts and "smacked" their bottoms..;-)

[Old_Geezer]

That's why it didn't do Bobbi any harm.

[Bobbisox]

I got the cane once Sandy and it stayed forever in my memory, I was terrified of what my Dad would say if he were to find out,,LOL

[ummmm]

Yes they did cane girls. My sister was caned....

[jackthehat]

A teacher will remove a mobile 'phone from a pupil and take it (according to a agreed and written rule) to 'The Office' from where, the pupil is instructed, they may collect it at the end of the school-day.
However, the pupil, in actual fact, can turn up any time s/he likes and ask for it back......and get it.
There was a teacher interviewed yesterday who said that Senior Management are willing to give unruly and disruptive pupils a "2nd, 3rd...........a hundred chances" before applying any sanctions.

[Bobbisox]

yes jack I saw this and allegedly the management of the said school reckons pupils have more rights than the people who teach them???

[ummmm]

It doesn't work in my sons school like that. If they get a phone confiscated a parent/adult has to go in and collect it. We signed an agreement....

[Sqad]

ummmm........your´s is a Catholic School I presume?

[sandyRoe]

The 'rights' of the troublemakers impinge on the rights of the children who might want to learn. If a headmaster considers an offence serious enough to merit expulsion then there should be no appeal possible.