Calm down dear, calm down...

[ixion]

A tad patronising?

[Davethedog]

LL couldn't agree more, as a man Dave doesn't seem "fit for purpose"

[venator]

Calm down, dears?

The labour Party should be concentrating on the mess they landed us in, rather than this useless whingeing.

AB people should find something better to talk about too.

[joggerjayne]

Frankly, any MP who takes offence at such trivia does not have the mettle needed for political office.

If this Eagle woman was ever given a position of authority, she would be told (in the usual way), that she was ...

incompetent, betraying the public, irresponsible, deceitful, should resign, etc

If she feels so hurt by being called "dear" ... she would never cope with that.

Perhaps she should resign from being an MP.

[LoftyLottie]

There are a fair few conservatives that he has upset by this as well. Dave is right - 'not fit for purpose'.

[joggerjayne]

Then they should resign, too.

I wouldn't want to be represented by some lily livered, whining MP.

I want a more robust MP looking after my interests.

All the bleaters and whingers should stand down.

[Davethedog]

JJ did you see Andy's posts? Where do you draw the line? This was supposed to be serious political debate and he tried to turn it into a joke, there is a much larger picture hear from one stupid remark.

Yet again I ask did you hear the Labour womans comment? If you did you wouldn't be slagging her, read it.

[Davethedog]

http://www.guardian.c...a-eagle-david-cameron

[Davethedog]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13213948

[andy-hughes]

JJ I know i am labouring (!) my point here, but i think the point is being confused -

this is less about an MP taking offence at being patronised - which she did, and was - and more about the fact that Mr Cameron attempted to cover the fact that he was not speaking the truth, by being bumptious and 'humourous' which shows a lack of judgement as Prime Minister, and a lack of respect for the House, and for Parliamentary proceedure.

This is the Commons Chamber during PM's Questions, not the 11:00 p.m. try-out slot at the Comedy Store.

It's not about 'sexism', it's about time and place, and serious misjudgement and pomposity by our elected 'leader'.

[LoftyLottie]

"It reveals a side of him that I suspect his minders would prefer we did not see, because it is so at odds with his carefully constructed "cuddly Cameron" image. It reminds me of none other than Flashman, the appalling bully in Tom Brown's Schooldays. Flashman's increasingly frequent appearances at Westminster are now remarked upon even by MPs in his own party"

From Dave's Link.

That is exactly how I feel about him! Nothing to do with Sexism.

[joggerjayne]

Oh, yes ... I keep forgetting that the Tories hate women.

The only party to have had a female leader, whom the current leadership still regard as an icon.

And if the Left want to list some of the appalling and disgraceful things they have said about Mrs Thatcher over the years ...

... anything the Tories could EVER say would pale into insignificance.

The Left are a horrid bunch of oiks, thugs and bullies ... including the women.

[LoftyLottie]

Oh hello Andy. I didn't see you there. We agree yet again!! ;o)

[starone]

You have to have a skin like a rhinocerus to be an MP. Personally I would want a public apology with Cameron really grovelling. Patronising g i t.

[andy-hughes]

We do Lottie - good morning - but I think Jayne and I are going to have to agree to differ on this.

I am no lover of Mrs Thatcher heaven knows, but she does deserve proper respect for acvhieving the leadership in such a male-dominated environment, and what ever her faults, she was never so pompous and disrespectful to a fellow Member of the House - were she cognicent. she would not approve of her successor's attitudes.

[JimT]

It's a load of fuss about nothing - it was a silly thing to say, he should know there'd be some sort of outcry, but ultimately it's another case of manufactured outrage - something that is increasingly wasting time and brain-space

[joggerjayne]

When Gordon Brown called that voter a mad old bat, or whatever it was ...

Why was he only accused of being indiscreet ... not sexist ????

Oh, hang on ... I forgot ... only Tories can be sexist. Labour are immune from that one.

[andy-hughes]

JimT - as i have pointed out at length - you can dismiss anything as a waste of time if you wish to avoid its implications - but that is the sort of dismissive posturing that caused the problem in the first place.

If our 'leader' attempts to deflect an untruth of his by being rude and dismissive, utterly against the tried and trusted proceedures of debate in the Chamber, then he should be rebuked for it.

As I said in my original post - the fault lies fairly with the Deputy Speaker who should have called the PM to apologise the first time he made his remark, and given the floor to Ms Eagle to make her point - as she is entitled to do under PMQ rules.

[Davethedog]

JJ you are bending the "facts" to suit your purpose, real facts would be good.

Brown called the lady a bigot was castigated, rightly, by the press and this furore was seen as, at least partly, responsible for his party's loss

[LoftyLottie]

Jane, why are you going on about the 'sexist' thing. He was patronising and trying to be funny. Putting down someone like that it not acceptable. He showed his true colours.

Why turn it into a Labour v Conservative thing. Regardless of his politics he behaved badly.

[JimT]

^^ andy I do see what you're getting at.