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Slavery in the UK.
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http://www.dailymail....men-prostitution.html
Fed up with all these gay issues, let's get back on the real issues that are changing the face of England.
I refer of course to this story of slavery in the UK in 2011.
And this connected story of yet another gang of Muslims who went on trial yesterday accused of a catalogue of child prostitution offences against vulnerable teenage girls as young as 13.
http://www.dailymail....g-girls-young-13.html
These are not isolated crimes, they unfortunately are on the increase.
Fed up with all these gay issues, let's get back on the real issues that are changing the face of England.
I refer of course to this story of slavery in the UK in 2011.
And this connected story of yet another gang of Muslims who went on trial yesterday accused of a catalogue of child prostitution offences against vulnerable teenage girls as young as 13.
http://www.dailymail....g-girls-young-13.html
These are not isolated crimes, they unfortunately are on the increase.
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To be fair to AOG - I think his perceived link between ethnicity and abuse which he has pondered in his last post, has its roots in cultural attitudes.
Obviously no blanket generalisations about ethncitiy and behaviour are valid or acceptable, but it should be noted that there is a perception among a number of Muslim men and boys that men are the superior members of the family, and women are there to ensure their comfort. This attitude is exacerbated by strict rules governing contact between the sexes.
Sadly, some Muslim men living in the UK, denied access to women within their own ethnic group, can perceive that white women are freely available, and in keeping with their taught perception that women are really only there for the pleasure of men, then white women must therefore be fair game for sexual advances, and in extreme cases like this, for sexual exploitation.
It is not a pleasant or palatable fact that some Muslim men think and act this way, nor it is remotely acceptable or excusable, but the point that AOG makes, that some sections of British society shy away from this uncomoftable area of discussion and analysis is a valid one, and should not be lost in a welter of accusation that he is simply obsessing with ethnic minorities.
Obviously no blanket generalisations about ethncitiy and behaviour are valid or acceptable, but it should be noted that there is a perception among a number of Muslim men and boys that men are the superior members of the family, and women are there to ensure their comfort. This attitude is exacerbated by strict rules governing contact between the sexes.
Sadly, some Muslim men living in the UK, denied access to women within their own ethnic group, can perceive that white women are freely available, and in keeping with their taught perception that women are really only there for the pleasure of men, then white women must therefore be fair game for sexual advances, and in extreme cases like this, for sexual exploitation.
It is not a pleasant or palatable fact that some Muslim men think and act this way, nor it is remotely acceptable or excusable, but the point that AOG makes, that some sections of British society shy away from this uncomoftable area of discussion and analysis is a valid one, and should not be lost in a welter of accusation that he is simply obsessing with ethnic minorities.
This is a terrible crime...and I go with what Andy said.
My daughter was a Police officer for a considerable amount of time and she saw with her own eyes young girls preyed on by these type of men. They are usually lured into that way of life via care homes were they are sometimes led to feel that there life is going nowhere and the only way out is through these undesirables.
One thing leads to another, it usually involves drugs and then an untimely end....
My daughter was a Police officer for a considerable amount of time and she saw with her own eyes young girls preyed on by these type of men. They are usually lured into that way of life via care homes were they are sometimes led to feel that there life is going nowhere and the only way out is through these undesirables.
One thing leads to another, it usually involves drugs and then an untimely end....
But Andy, there's been no mention of the ethnicity of the children in the second case either. What you're saying, I'm sure, could be a valid point, but where we don't know the religion of the men, nor the ethnicity of the young girls involved, how can we assume that it has anything to do with a perception of young white women by some Muslim men? Moreover, as we've seen with the recent slutwalk, this perception can be held by men of other religions.
I wondered how long it would be before diversionary tactics were used.
We are not talking about crimes committed by Whites, Christians, or any other group, in this instance.
Here my concern was the trafficking of adult females, mainly carried out by Eastern European gangs, and the increasing number of Muslim (or bundle them all together if you so wish) Asian gangs, who are introducing children into prostitution.
Why do some, rather than address the case in question, try and belittle me or take diversionary measures, when they themselves should also be condemning these evil crimes?
I know the answer, because you are so predictable.
We are not talking about crimes committed by Whites, Christians, or any other group, in this instance.
Here my concern was the trafficking of adult females, mainly carried out by Eastern European gangs, and the increasing number of Muslim (or bundle them all together if you so wish) Asian gangs, who are introducing children into prostitution.
Why do some, rather than address the case in question, try and belittle me or take diversionary measures, when they themselves should also be condemning these evil crimes?
I know the answer, because you are so predictable.
AOG, I honestly didn't realise your issue was about the origin of these people. I assumed it was in general, that the fact that this is happening was the problem, regardless of who's conducting it.
Again you're assuming it's Eastern European men conducting the import of these sex slaves. And for the record, most Eastern European men are white so if your assumption were correct, we would be "talking about crimes committed by Whites".
You're beginning to confuse yourself already!
Again you're assuming it's Eastern European men conducting the import of these sex slaves. And for the record, most Eastern European men are white so if your assumption were correct, we would be "talking about crimes committed by Whites".
You're beginning to confuse yourself already!
pa___ul3
What on earth are you going on about, where have I put that it is a matter of the colour of their skin? I am intelligent enough to know that most Eastern Europeans are white, but this in no way excuses them of their crimes, unlike you who wish to excuse Muslims of theirs.
It apparently is you that is confusing yourself, in your continued denial that it may be Muslim men who are responsible, when the proof is so damning.
I assume that the adult traffickers are Eastern Europeans, because numerous reports verify this, just as I also assume that 7/7 London bombings were carried out by Muslims, and the IRA bombings by Irish.
What on earth are you going on about, where have I put that it is a matter of the colour of their skin? I am intelligent enough to know that most Eastern Europeans are white, but this in no way excuses them of their crimes, unlike you who wish to excuse Muslims of theirs.
It apparently is you that is confusing yourself, in your continued denial that it may be Muslim men who are responsible, when the proof is so damning.
I assume that the adult traffickers are Eastern Europeans, because numerous reports verify this, just as I also assume that 7/7 London bombings were carried out by Muslims, and the IRA bombings by Irish.
http://atlasshrugs200...ion-ring-charges.html
http://www.jerusalemp...itution-ring-charges/
It would seem that others are not frightened to use the word 'Muslim' in their reports.
The following was a comment on the BBC's coverage.
/// Now go to the BBC article. See if you can find “Pakistani” or “Muslim” anywhere in it. Note that dhimmified BBC cannot bring itself to say that these are Muslim men whose Pakistani culture, as Jack Straw pointed out, teaches them to view children, especially white, troubled children as “easy meat” and objects for sexual pleasure and treat women like dirt.///
http://www.jerusalemp...itution-ring-charges/
It would seem that others are not frightened to use the word 'Muslim' in their reports.
The following was a comment on the BBC's coverage.
/// Now go to the BBC article. See if you can find “Pakistani” or “Muslim” anywhere in it. Note that dhimmified BBC cannot bring itself to say that these are Muslim men whose Pakistani culture, as Jack Straw pointed out, teaches them to view children, especially white, troubled children as “easy meat” and objects for sexual pleasure and treat women like dirt.///
aog - you said "We are not talking about crimes committed by Whites, Christians, or any other group, in this instance" - you are pretty sure we are, as you've admitted.
Secondly, Rochdale is not in Staffordshire, that's a completely different story and exactly the same article over 2 different sites, one of which is the notoriously unbiased - particularly when it comes to Muslims - Jerusalem Pulse Radio.
Now seeing as you have seen numerous reports verifying that the sex-trafficers are Eastern European, if you show me the proof I'll accept that to be the case. I'm addressing your original post and it's content, not conclusions I'm drawing based on snippets of totally unrelated articles.
Secondly, Rochdale is not in Staffordshire, that's a completely different story and exactly the same article over 2 different sites, one of which is the notoriously unbiased - particularly when it comes to Muslims - Jerusalem Pulse Radio.
Now seeing as you have seen numerous reports verifying that the sex-trafficers are Eastern European, if you show me the proof I'll accept that to be the case. I'm addressing your original post and it's content, not conclusions I'm drawing based on snippets of totally unrelated articles.
Andy-Hughes
Hello Andy, but what you did say was, "I fear I have fallen into the common trap of being swayed in my view by the slants placed on the information by the media"
Which I took to mean that you were apologising for the fact that you had fallen into a trap, after being swayed in your view by the slants placed by the media.
Please accept my apology if I may have wrongfully interpreted your words.
Hello Andy, but what you did say was, "I fear I have fallen into the common trap of being swayed in my view by the slants placed on the information by the media"
Which I took to mean that you were apologising for the fact that you had fallen into a trap, after being swayed in your view by the slants placed by the media.
Please accept my apology if I may have wrongfully interpreted your words.
pa___ul3
Where did I say that Rochdale was in Staffordshire??????????
/// I'm addressing your original post and it's content, not conclusions I'm drawing based on snippets of totally unrelated articles.///
Then please make up your mind and stick to my original post and it's content, and try not to bring into discussion unrelated diversionary measures.
But on the subject of Eastern European sex traffickers, and since you requested it.
http://www.guardian.c...ffick-romania-britain
Not from the bias Right-Wing Daily Mail, but the Guardian no less.
/// Eventually police would discover that Marinela was an innocent victim of Bogdan Nejloveanu, 51, and his son Marius, 23, a Romanian trafficking team ///
I presume Romania is in Eastern Europe, isn't it?
Where did I say that Rochdale was in Staffordshire??????????
/// I'm addressing your original post and it's content, not conclusions I'm drawing based on snippets of totally unrelated articles.///
Then please make up your mind and stick to my original post and it's content, and try not to bring into discussion unrelated diversionary measures.
But on the subject of Eastern European sex traffickers, and since you requested it.
http://www.guardian.c...ffick-romania-britain
Not from the bias Right-Wing Daily Mail, but the Guardian no less.
/// Eventually police would discover that Marinela was an innocent victim of Bogdan Nejloveanu, 51, and his son Marius, 23, a Romanian trafficking team ///
I presume Romania is in Eastern Europe, isn't it?
Why are so many posts on here bending over backwards not to confront the real issue of muslim men grooming young white girls for sex? You are tying yourselves up in knots looking for reasons not to put the blame on Muslim men. Everyone knows it goes on. Of course these people will now say "how do you know it does?" Becasue I live near a muslim area, I know people within the community who have seen it first hand but I suppose they could all be lying and read the Daily Mail. There is none so blind as he who will not see.
so you admit you knew the two other links you posted had nothing to do with the OP but request I stick to the OP?
Regarding your link, thanks, it was informative but found this one more so http://www.telegraph....ts-in-50-arrests.html which does back up your claim that most traffickers are Eastern European, does also suggest though that it's more widespread than that.
And yes, Romania is in Eastern Europe! Well done!
Regarding your link, thanks, it was informative but found this one more so http://www.telegraph....ts-in-50-arrests.html which does back up your claim that most traffickers are Eastern European, does also suggest though that it's more widespread than that.
And yes, Romania is in Eastern Europe! Well done!
at the end of very long thread, i have tried to read all replies.
I saw the pictures of the men in the paper yesterday, they are most definitely asian, and with names under the photos, one would assume they are Muslims, but what does that matter. What should is that no matter where the the girls are from, Britain, eastern europe, or are white, brown or pink, they have been shamefully abused, most are young, and surely that is something we should be addressing. Its a short road for many of these girls, and one that sometimes ends in the morgue.
I saw the pictures of the men in the paper yesterday, they are most definitely asian, and with names under the photos, one would assume they are Muslims, but what does that matter. What should is that no matter where the the girls are from, Britain, eastern europe, or are white, brown or pink, they have been shamefully abused, most are young, and surely that is something we should be addressing. Its a short road for many of these girls, and one that sometimes ends in the morgue.
pa___ul3
No the two links had everything to do with my original post.
And that was the fact of the increasing problem of gangs of Muslim men, grooming young girls as young as 13 for sex. also their headlines.
"UK: Muslim Gang Charged in Child "Prostitution Ring" Charges"
Incidentally in reply to your patronising reply regarding Romania, I knew it was in Eastern Europe, but I didn't want you saying "they were Romanians, but where did it say they were also Eastern Europeans"?
No the two links had everything to do with my original post.
And that was the fact of the increasing problem of gangs of Muslim men, grooming young girls as young as 13 for sex. also their headlines.
"UK: Muslim Gang Charged in Child "Prostitution Ring" Charges"
Incidentally in reply to your patronising reply regarding Romania, I knew it was in Eastern Europe, but I didn't want you saying "they were Romanians, but where did it say they were also Eastern Europeans"?
from wikipaedia
Romania is a secular state and has no state religion. However, an overwhelming majority of the country's citizens are Christian. 86.7% of the country's population identified as Eastern Orthodox according to the 2002 census. Other important Christian denominations include Protestantism (5.2%), Roman Catholicism (4.7%) and the Romanian Greek-Catholic Church (0.9%).
Romania is a secular state and has no state religion. However, an overwhelming majority of the country's citizens are Christian. 86.7% of the country's population identified as Eastern Orthodox according to the 2002 census. Other important Christian denominations include Protestantism (5.2%), Roman Catholicism (4.7%) and the Romanian Greek-Catholic Church (0.9%).
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