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Should these vigilantes be allowed?
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http://www.dailymail....ons-defy-rioters.html
The police may not be appearing to take a positive approach to the problem of these mobs on our streets, but should vigilante groups be allowed, brandishing their illegal weapons?
How long would the police tolerate bands of other vigilantes to stand guard outside their premises carrying shot guns or even air weapons?
In a ITV report it stated,
/// Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh, from the Metropolitan Police, said they were not helping matters.///
/// He said: "What I don't need is these so-called vigilantes, who appeared to have been drinking too much and taking policing resources away from what they should have been doing - which is preventing the looting." ///
The police may not be appearing to take a positive approach to the problem of these mobs on our streets, but should vigilante groups be allowed, brandishing their illegal weapons?
How long would the police tolerate bands of other vigilantes to stand guard outside their premises carrying shot guns or even air weapons?
In a ITV report it stated,
/// Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh, from the Metropolitan Police, said they were not helping matters.///
/// He said: "What I don't need is these so-called vigilantes, who appeared to have been drinking too much and taking policing resources away from what they should have been doing - which is preventing the looting." ///
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I'd be interesting in knowing where the line is with the whole 'reasonable force' against burgalry. Does that include protecting your house from attack from missiles or is it only if they step foot through your front door? What about gardens etc?
I think one should be able to defend their family and property with reasonable force, if that's clouting some bell end around the head with a hockey stick then so be it.
AOG, do you not think the Sikh fellas should have protected their homes, families and temples? What if it were just the hockey sticks and not the swords (although the swords would obviously be a much better visual deterrant)
I think one should be able to defend their family and property with reasonable force, if that's clouting some bell end around the head with a hockey stick then so be it.
AOG, do you not think the Sikh fellas should have protected their homes, families and temples? What if it were just the hockey sticks and not the swords (although the swords would obviously be a much better visual deterrant)
"One could equally say that any ex- serviceman or even serving one who may also have a long, proud heritage of bravery in battle, should also be allowed to defend their families or property with their particular choice of weapons."
wouldn't this apply to anyone really (non military) if they or their familiies are under attack, they should be able to defend themselves ?
wouldn't this apply to anyone really (non military) if they or their familiies are under attack, they should be able to defend themselves ?
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I don't know what some of you are ranting on about, in the following link (the one I took my excerpt from) I can find no mention of any EDL march drunken or otherwise.
http://itn.co.uk/home...ht+back+against+riots
housemouse You please yourself, I think I have got my point across, judging by the reaction it has caused, and the failed diversionary methods used.
http://itn.co.uk/home...ht+back+against+riots
housemouse You please yourself, I think I have got my point across, judging by the reaction it has caused, and the failed diversionary methods used.
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If it is open war on the rioters/looters then so be it.
But it should not make any difference if they belong to a particular religious group, political party, or protest group.
So since the use of weapons seems to be accepted, how far would some of you wish to go, that is all I am asking?
Let's have a level playing field here, should a Christian be allowed to brandish a sword?
Should another group be allowed to use a much less fierce weapon?
Does a group have to be tee-total to be a vigilante or should they refrain whilst on 'duty'?
Be the vigilantes Sikhs, Moslem, Church of England, Catholics, Jews, EDL, Communists, Tories, Liberals or Labour, they are still unlawful groups who are no better than the yobs who they are opposing.
Leave the policing to the people who are trained in confronting mobs, or should we revert to mob rule?
Perhaps hangings from the lamp-posts to all those caught eh?
But it should not make any difference if they belong to a particular religious group, political party, or protest group.
So since the use of weapons seems to be accepted, how far would some of you wish to go, that is all I am asking?
Let's have a level playing field here, should a Christian be allowed to brandish a sword?
Should another group be allowed to use a much less fierce weapon?
Does a group have to be tee-total to be a vigilante or should they refrain whilst on 'duty'?
Be the vigilantes Sikhs, Moslem, Church of England, Catholics, Jews, EDL, Communists, Tories, Liberals or Labour, they are still unlawful groups who are no better than the yobs who they are opposing.
Leave the policing to the people who are trained in confronting mobs, or should we revert to mob rule?
Perhaps hangings from the lamp-posts to all those caught eh?
4 armoured police cars had to be sent...
// A LARGE group of Enfield Town residents took to the streets to protect their community from looters this evening.
A 300-hundred strong crowd congregated at The King’s Head, in Market Place, from around 10.30pm.
However, with no sign of the rioters, the would-be vigilantes became the police’s biggest disturbance of the night.
A source among the crowd, who did not wish to be named, said there was a mixture of party atmosphere with a “tone of aggression”.
At one point during the evening, some members reported shouting in a church yard behind the pub.
Around 50 people charged to confront what they thought were rioters, but police rushed to block them off.
The group fell back after they realised it was “just kids” and returned to the pub.
Later in the evening, just after midnight, a few police vehicles outside the pub turned on their lights and drove off.
Believing the police were responding to reports of looters, some men ran to their cars to follow.
However, officers led the vigilantes on a tour of Enfield Town before returning to the pub where four armoured police vehicles had turned up.
Riot police then began to disperse the "vigilantes" at around 12.15am leading to confusion among the group.
There was a sense among them that they were there to support the police and could not understand why officers had "turned on" them.
Just before 1am almost all the group had left the area and gone home.
Earlier in the evening, television crews also visited the group and interviewed local mum-of-three Penny Henshaw, 41, of Monks Close.
She said she had had enough of the riots in London and the group was there to protect the local community.
A source also suggested members of the far-right group, the English Defence, attached themselves to the group - due to the occasional chant of ‘E-D-L’ heard.
A large group of men were spotted in the north east of the borough earlier in the evening, some of whom were also chanting the initials. //
// A LARGE group of Enfield Town residents took to the streets to protect their community from looters this evening.
A 300-hundred strong crowd congregated at The King’s Head, in Market Place, from around 10.30pm.
However, with no sign of the rioters, the would-be vigilantes became the police’s biggest disturbance of the night.
A source among the crowd, who did not wish to be named, said there was a mixture of party atmosphere with a “tone of aggression”.
At one point during the evening, some members reported shouting in a church yard behind the pub.
Around 50 people charged to confront what they thought were rioters, but police rushed to block them off.
The group fell back after they realised it was “just kids” and returned to the pub.
Later in the evening, just after midnight, a few police vehicles outside the pub turned on their lights and drove off.
Believing the police were responding to reports of looters, some men ran to their cars to follow.
However, officers led the vigilantes on a tour of Enfield Town before returning to the pub where four armoured police vehicles had turned up.
Riot police then began to disperse the "vigilantes" at around 12.15am leading to confusion among the group.
There was a sense among them that they were there to support the police and could not understand why officers had "turned on" them.
Just before 1am almost all the group had left the area and gone home.
Earlier in the evening, television crews also visited the group and interviewed local mum-of-three Penny Henshaw, 41, of Monks Close.
She said she had had enough of the riots in London and the group was there to protect the local community.
A source also suggested members of the far-right group, the English Defence, attached themselves to the group - due to the occasional chant of ‘E-D-L’ heard.
A large group of men were spotted in the north east of the borough earlier in the evening, some of whom were also chanting the initials. //
aog, a level playing field would be one where like the sikhs protecting their place of worship (a temple), the people of the edl could also protect their temple (presumably the pub).
it becomes a lesser level playing field when said drunken edl thugs parade the streets chanting edl and duff up anyone who happens to be a darkie. i don't recall hearing of the sikhs attacking a bus, i guess thats just for cavemen who have perhaps never seen such a big angry red scarey thing before ?
it becomes a lesser level playing field when said drunken edl thugs parade the streets chanting edl and duff up anyone who happens to be a darkie. i don't recall hearing of the sikhs attacking a bus, i guess thats just for cavemen who have perhaps never seen such a big angry red scarey thing before ?
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