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[lcg]

let the discussion begin! a thought provoking program about the inequalities of modern britain, or a backlash against the scum of the 'broken' society that loots? i know where my thoughts lie...and i'm having a bit of a domestic about it! love to know your opinions x

[DrFilth]

Shazza it is not the kids fault when they were younger they probably lived in a bungalow

they had no naughty step to stand on

[horseshoes]

That's where the getting tough and having zero tolerance should start IMO Shazza, so that ordinary folk can go about their business safely and without having to put up with that sort of abuse.

Inequalities - my eye!! They are blaming anything and everything, government, cuts, poverty, immigration - they're just yobs - plain and simple

[TTG]

Shazza36 - Do you know any older and bigger guys who can have a word with the youths? I know of several sets of 'feral' youths confronted in this way. The problems stopped. They don't have to be aggressive or shout at the youths. Just mention to them there will be reprisals if there is any more trouble.

[emmie]

TTG, as some of these youngsters carry weapons, suggest that talking isn't necessarily the solution. Just because the person is bigger, older doesn't mean to say they won't end up like any number of these kids, on a slab in the morgue.

[sandyRoe]

Isn't it curious that the yobs are quick to call the police if they're confronted?
And even more curious that the yobs victim is the one that's arrested

[Snafu03]

I find alot of younger people want the trappings of a comfortable life but dont want to put the effort or hours in. Its a society that demands equality without going through the motions of what it takes to get somewhere in life.

They have little or no 'real world' communication skills, are breastfed on the digital age of facebook, xbox and mobiles and MTV music videos that suggest wealth is attractive.

Their lack of progress in life causes them to point the blame at anyone but themselves. We live in a society that offers a good enough education system to get you started. I left school in 1985 and even then going on to higher education was OK if you could afford NOT to be in the job marketplace - this isnt a new thing. Yes, the job market isnt what it was, but I agree with em10 - I've yet to meet an unemployed person from Poland.

Hell, I'm sure most of us work long hours with no big car, house or foreign holiday at the end of it! I know I do and most of my peers. I'm not about to smash up the high street in resentment.

[R1Geezer]

Dr filth There's no shortage of jobs, it's just a lot easier on the rock and roll whilst immigrants do the jobs.

[DrFilth]

R1Geezer that is a load of crap and you know it there are plenty of people trying to find work.
you only have to look at the job centre web site to see how bad it is

please don't say about picking fruit which is a seasonal job i can only think that you are living in london

[R1Geezer]

That is fact, filth, you may not like it but there are lots of jobs. It's just a lot easier and more lucratuve to stay at home and live on the work shy scum budget, end of, you know it's true.

[Teddy_boy]

Geezer perhaps for some but not for all.You are generalising and when people generalise they run the risk of talking botox and looking like a fool.You have succeeded in this.

[DrFilth]

sorry geezer your talking out your arse mate

[R1Geezer]

Look there are thousands of jobs everywhere, they are full of immigrants because we pay out WSS too mucvh to sit on their ar5es make it viable, so they get done by immigrants on minimum wage, if no one would do those jobs then the employers would have to raise salaries, perhaps even plucking WSC from the dole, it's market forces. surely even a lefty pl0nker like you can see that.

[Teddy_boy]

I think i said the same thing but more eloquently .

[R1Geezer]

I could make head nor tail of what you said, something about botox.

[DrFilth]

in fact geezer a few years back one person mid to late 50's came out of work
his firm shut down and moved abroad
he tried everyday and i mean everyday, after months and months of trying to get back in sales he started looking and trying for any job

firms do not want well educated men in their late 50's

one day his wife and daughter went shopping into manchester town centre when they got back home they opened the front door and were greeted by
a body with a rope round his neck

he put a rope in the loft and stood on a chair at the top of the stairs

he had probably read a report saying there were loads of jobs and just felt
useless

[R1Geezer]

It may be necessary to diversify, if you can't get the exact job that suits then widen your horizons, that's all I'm saying, I think John Doe just sees himself as a whatever and only looks for those jobs. Ok you may have tou take something you may find beneath you. I've never managed to get a job polishing page 3 models but I get by on what I've ended up doing.

[DrFilth]

if you read what i have just posted geezer i did say he tried for anything

[R1Geezer]

So this guys couldn't get any job? I don't believe that, you mean he couldn't get a job he wanted to do.

[DrFilth]

geezer i give up with you
your right everyone is a scum bag, everyone is a cheat, everyone is happy living on a pittance unable to put the heating on in winter time

[emmie]

R1G, some people perhaps don't want to do lesser jobs, if you have been a top salesman, executive, or engineer, and are made redundant at say 50, or earlier, then perhaps it is hard to find those jobs, they are far and few between, and companies that do hire, are likely to go for younger people, and the older you get the less likely you are to find anything in your field. If you have to work in B&Q or tesco to make ends meet than can be quite a downturn, in your earnings and self esteem.