Believe me bagpuss I've done lots of jobs, I had 3 jobs when I was thirteen, never scrounged a penny. I have never been made redundant but I've jacked a few with no job to go to, I simply do not believe there are no jobs, I walked up m local high st the other day and many had jobs advertised in the window. Em, I understand what you are saying and thanks for not having a hissy fit like Filth but the simple fact is that, yes it may be a come down to do a lower job but it's not as low as being on the rock and roll.