Muslim's 'Hell for Heroes' campaign.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....tion-November-11.html

Should they have been given permission to hold this protest, on our day of remembrance?

Why aren't the moderate Muslims voicing their objections against these extremists?

[ummmm]

'why are these people allowed to cause trouble on our streets?'

It's their streets too.

[emmie]

If American/British troops had never heard of, or at least gone to war in Iraq, Afghanistan, or indeed any mainly Muslim country, would they be so disrespectful.

[notasyoungasiwas]

Wholeheartedly agree with em and ayg. And to get back to aog's post, no they shouldn't be given permission for this protest.

Sith if you are around, I would love to hear your opinion.

[pa___ul3]

em10, it's a tiny group, the count of members at their protests is very rarely into triple figures! I've had more people come to watch me play rugby on a Saturday, and I'm junk!! They use the media well because what they do and say will get a reaction, and that's what the media want.
AYG, I don't think anyone could not agree with most of what you're saying, it is completely confusing to live here but hate the place so much and we certainly could do with a fair few more Muslim people standing forward and telling us that they're not all like that, but then how do we know they aren't trying to? Is theirs the type of campaign that will get noticed, that will sell newspapers?

[emmie]

ummm, so you don't mind the fact they might/will burn poppies on Remembrance Sunday, or outside the Albert Hall at the Remembrance service.

[DrFilth]

>> Emdadur Choudhury, who burned the poppy, was fined just £50.<<

the papers will pay him a lot more than that for a story

[askyourgran]

Ummm <<<their streets too>>>? so they pay into our system do they? Their allegience is obviously not to Britain by the way they behave, if they want to live here in peace they should abide by our laws and respect our way of life. There are some who want to have Sharia law here, they are thinking that the mosques and ghettos they have created are mini-pakistan and afghanistans. If they want all that they should live where their sympathies are best catered for. Not here.

[emmie]

pa-ul, perhaps the more moderate people fear reprisals if they stand their ground and condemn the extremists. I don't know what the answer is, i only know that they aren't just a few rabble rousers, and even if that were the case, it doesn't take many to start a war. Look at Libya, a few dissidents against Gadaffi, then more join in, then hundreds of thousands, to overthrow a despot.

[Zeuhl]

<<ummm, so you don't mind the fact they might/will burn poppies on Remembrance Sunday, or outside the Albert Hall at the Remembrance service. >>

Perhaps we should present them with a nice big poppy wreath.

If they choose to burn it that would be very rude of them ...

and as it burns they might notice it has a copy of the koran inside.

[pa___ul3]

em you might be right, we aren't to know, but what we do know is that last year their protests were very very widely broadcast, and they had around 50 people there, this year, they're won't be a hell of a lot more. That to me suggests that they're school of thought is not shared by the however many hundreds of thousands of Muslims who live in the UK and that they most certainly are not a threat.

[emmie]

zeuhl, can you imagine someone burning a copy of the Qu-ran outside a mosque, and the furore, riots that would ensue. So if we are told to toe the line, don't disrespect people's faith, culture, then surely the same should apply to all people in Britain.

[ummmm]

Where did I say I didn't mind?

I think it's disgusting. Still doesn't make them 'our' streets, unless they are included in that 'our', which I doubt.

How do you know what they pay into the system AYG?

[askyourgran]

I doubt very much that they do ummm. We are currently supported the Hamaz Hook handed Cleric and his wives and countless children while he languished in jail, to name one.

[ummmm]

Oh, I see....so that means all of them.

[anotheoldgit]

pa___ul3

/// to make reactionary right wing fools get their backs up against the impending 'threat of Islam',///

Insult us, by calling us fools if you must, but it is a good job there were some who got their backs up against the impending threat of Nazism, way back in the thirties.

/// The only way to beat this kind of action is to ignore them,///

Also a good job we didn't take this attitude then.

/// this in turn creates animosity amongst the wider Muslim community as they feel victimised for the actions of this handful of tools! ///

Must agree, but lets see more like that father of the boy who got killed during the riots, turn out onto the streets and voice their opposition against these radicals.

/// We should see them as a pathetic minor irritation rather than the 'threat' they so much wish to be considered. ///

I think they have already proved what a 'threat' they are, don't you?

[askyourgran]

Well be my guest to find out, they seem to have the time to organize their flag and poppy burning events.

[anotheoldgit]

Steve.5

I'll go along with that brilliant idea.

[Zeuhl]

Good question em

Personally I'm not too fussed by any of this supposedly symbolic burning be it poppies, bibles, flags whatever.

I think our resolve and deep rooted feelings about Remembrance Day for example are much stronger and more important than the posturing of a few idiotic attention-seekers.

Any hysteria generated by the burning of an ordinary printed copy of the koran just underlines for me the mindlessness and superficiality of their belief system.

Perhaps any such burnings should just be treated equally as a potential breach of the peace and perpetrators warned not to, moved on or arrested.

I have no axe to grind against, let's say the Norwegians, but I wouldn't expect to be able to walk up to the front of their embassy, say to the copper on duty 'i'm just going to burn the Norwegian flag ok?' and expect to be allowed to get on with it.

[emmie]

pa ul, just thought you might find this interesting.
Islam has been present in the United Kingdom since its formation in 1707, though it was not legally recognised until the Trinitarian Act in 1812.
Today it is the second largest religion in the country with estimates suggesting that by 2010 the total Muslim population had reached 2.869 million

[emmie]

i am aware that it's slightly out of date data, but your estimate of hundreds of thousands, is way off the mark.