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Does it occur to you that young children in this country are more likely to be the victim of an attack from a paedophile as a result of the attitude you display
(I direct this mostly at Philtaz).
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Blimey Marge, so it's all Philtaz's fault?, and there was me thinking it was the paedophiles! What will you be telling us next - Hitler wasn't a bad guy, he was just misunderstood.?
I'll reciprocate El D. I find YOU sad and disturbing. You would probably put a comforting arm around someone like Huntley and say "there there mate, don't worry, you're just misunderstood. Given time, those girl's parents might get over their tragic loss. In the meantime, you can spend time studying and even write a thesis on why you committed the most heinous acts since Brady and Hindley".
Yours is the far too liberal attitude that ensured Roy Whiting was freed early after his first offence, only to continue his depraved acts. Unfortunately for poor Sarah Payne, he went one step further the next time, didn't he?
Paedophiles with his profile(avoided treatment, psychiatrist warned he would doubtless re-offend with added intensity) should NEVER be given a chance to re-offend, under any circumstances.
But there are very many who would NOT wish to be drawn towards children, but are, and stay away from treatment that would protect themselves and children from evil, because they are treated as demons by the likes of about half the people on this thread. The irony is that as a result of all this misguidedness, more children end up being abused. Yeah, well done guys, keep up the good work. MargeB.
Pardon? They are treated as demons by about half of us because that is what they are! Have you read any of the other posts/threads on this? Roy Whiting 'stayed away from treatment' whilst he was in prison for his previous offence of indecently assaulting a little girl. The authorities were powerless to make him undergo treatment and he actively avoided it, to the cost of poor Sarah Payne.
The real irony is that as a result of your misguidedness and atitude people like Whiting are always freed far too early in their sentence, only to carry out the same acts again, but with even more horrific consequences.
No, I think that where it is obvious someone is a paedophile and they have been convicted of a crime, then children should be protected from them. As for 'Roy', you are inflating his situation into a generalization. Many 'paedophiles' (I use this expression in its literal sense) would undergo treatment, if it weren't for the demonization of them by a great many people in the UK. So I'll ask you a few questions:
-do you think that basically, before any decision to act, paedophiles have mental constructs that are different from your own?
-do you think paedophiles would be put off commiting the acts they do if the deterrents that Philtaz suggests were put in place?
-do you think all paedophiles actively choose to be attracted selectively to underage people?
-if psychological intervention were the only means available (and it is in the case of any unconvicted paedophile), how do you think we should go about such an intervention, and why?
IF they elect to undergo treatment, IF.
Sex Offender Treatment Issues
Many sex offenders do not want treatment.When Langevin and colleagues asked sex offenders (37 �paedophiles�, 20 rapists and 30 incest offenders) what treatment they saw as necessary, only half of them (sex offenders child) considered treatment desirable or necessary, and of those who considered it important, the required therapy goals were more often to improve social relationships via individual psychotherapy with a male therapist and socials kills training.
Marge, maybe you should spend some time with the victims of these crimes, and I don't just mean abused kids but also bereaved families. Try to understand their thought processes.
I might have had more respect for your views if you hadn't immediately branded everyone who was going to express a different one as 'the daily mail ignorati' in true knee-jerk reactionary style.
Who was it that said 'Scratch a liberal and you find a facist.'?
Personally I believe some people are beyond treatment. I can't go along with the death penalty but I do believe life should mean life.
Stevie, look the words up in a psychology textbook, then you might understand the point. We can all just try to 'go against' impulses, but if they are sexual, they are notoriously difficult to override in this way. THINK ABOUT IT. Think about the whole sphere of sexual misdemeanours. They tend to happen despite the will of the person involved. That is WHY paraphilias have a specific term of reference (look it up, rather than slagging it off as jargon) because they cannot be understood just like other disorders are understood.
Why do you think the sexual component does not set it apart from other non sexual disorders?
Why do you think cognitive approaches are used? Do you think they are just used to get people to 'use a bit more willpower'? I was setting a cognitive approach against the suggestion of using mere willpower.
Why should thinking about the thought processes of the victims help me? I resent the suggestion that I am immune to their grief. You should chew on the fact that only those who are genuinely direct victims of abuse have no choice but to see past the vigilantism and find an approach that definitely works.
There's a bit of confusion around the term 'paedophilia' I think, generally. Even though it literally means "'liking for/preference for children' in a sexual context", in the UK it's pretty much used to cover those who carry out offences against children. Those who have been found to commit crimes against children should definitely be put out of the reach of children. However, if you consider 'paedophilia' in its strictest sense, it encompasses the tens of thousands in the UK (partly thanks to the internet?) who are harbouring paedophile tendencies, many of whom will go on to abuse, and this will never reach the courts let alone be found out. How do you go about dealing with that?