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Bring our troops home now.
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Pictures that should make our politicians hang their heads in shame.
Pictures that should make our politicians hang their heads in shame.
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It is a difficult decision to contemplate.
If we withdraw our troops now, it makes the sacrifice paid by those 6 men (and all the others) utterly pointless. Staying a little longer to make the situation in Afghanistan more stable would be a more fitting tribute for them all.....but it may cost additional lives in the meantime.
If we withdraw our troops now, it makes the sacrifice paid by those 6 men (and all the others) utterly pointless. Staying a little longer to make the situation in Afghanistan more stable would be a more fitting tribute for them all.....but it may cost additional lives in the meantime.
jackthehat
/// If we withdraw our troops now, it makes the sacrifice paid by those 6 men (and all the others) utterly pointless. ///
Yes that is the sad fact, but it has got to happen sometime.
/// Staying a little longer to make the situation in Afghanistan more stable would be a more fitting tribute for them all.....but it may cost additional lives in the meantime. ///
We have been out there for 11 years and that country is only a little more stabilised than it was at the beginning, so why risk even more lives?
Even if we say we will come out in 2 years or 20 years time, it will still be deemed a retreat.
/// If we withdraw our troops now, it makes the sacrifice paid by those 6 men (and all the others) utterly pointless. ///
Yes that is the sad fact, but it has got to happen sometime.
/// Staying a little longer to make the situation in Afghanistan more stable would be a more fitting tribute for them all.....but it may cost additional lives in the meantime. ///
We have been out there for 11 years and that country is only a little more stabilised than it was at the beginning, so why risk even more lives?
Even if we say we will come out in 2 years or 20 years time, it will still be deemed a retreat.
It will be deemed a retreat because it's impossible to call it anything else.
There was never going to be a 'winner' in this 'war' or any 'getting the job done' what ever that was supposed to mean.
The reasons are fudged, the strategy was flawed, the endplan was never considered, and only the deaths remain as eveidence we were ever there.
I'm not sure which is worse, the tragedy or disgust.
There was never going to be a 'winner' in this 'war' or any 'getting the job done' what ever that was supposed to mean.
The reasons are fudged, the strategy was flawed, the endplan was never considered, and only the deaths remain as eveidence we were ever there.
I'm not sure which is worse, the tragedy or disgust.
War in Afghanistan, key facts and figures dated 5 July2010
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8143196.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8143196.stm
So fewer fatalities in Afghanistan in 9 years than were killed on Britains roads in 1?
Isn't it remarkable how the willingness to absorb casualties has evaporated in 60 years
Wars now are not won they are lost by the unwillingness of the people back home to accept losses
Vietnam was a case in point and Afghanistan is just the same
Isn't it remarkable how the willingness to absorb casualties has evaporated in 60 years
Wars now are not won they are lost by the unwillingness of the people back home to accept losses
Vietnam was a case in point and Afghanistan is just the same
The stupid answers that say to withdraw now would betray our brave men who have already been killed. On a different plain, this is like saying "as I have lost £400 at the races so far I had better keep on betting even if I end up losing another £400-£800 - except it human lives we are "playing" with here. In other words you do not keep throwing good money after bad nor do you do so with brave troops. In this case, politicians are prepared to expend the lives of more brave men to hide the stupid adventure on which they embarked. Don't try throwing historical JUST war figures at critics of this disaster. I am not a pacifist or religious but I can see a disastrous policy here and I debate this only to save allied soldiers and Aghan women and childrens lives.
Everyone wants a withdrawal, the US, the UK and the Afghans themselves want us out. And at the earliest possible moment we will withdraw, but that moment isn't quite yet.
The betting analogy above does not work. Our adventure in Afghanistan is more like an investment. We have spent time and lives getting to a situation where our investment might pay off. We wanted a western friendly government installed instead of a anti western fundamentalist Islamic dictatorship which was there before. The Khazi Government whilst not perfect, is pretty close to what we want. However, it is not quite strong enough to support itself. We need to hold our nerve just a little longer before our investment matures and we can get what we want. There is an element of chance like betting, except we have fought long and hard to get the odds strongly in our favour.
There is no one more opposed to the Afghan war than me, but we need to see it through if the whole thing is not to have been pointless.
The betting analogy above does not work. Our adventure in Afghanistan is more like an investment. We have spent time and lives getting to a situation where our investment might pay off. We wanted a western friendly government installed instead of a anti western fundamentalist Islamic dictatorship which was there before. The Khazi Government whilst not perfect, is pretty close to what we want. However, it is not quite strong enough to support itself. We need to hold our nerve just a little longer before our investment matures and we can get what we want. There is an element of chance like betting, except we have fought long and hard to get the odds strongly in our favour.
There is no one more opposed to the Afghan war than me, but we need to see it through if the whole thing is not to have been pointless.
Gromit - do you really believe that The Taliban are going to say 'OK, Britain and the US have supported and propped up a corrupt government that pretends to be the face of deomcracy, so we'll just slink off into the hills and forget about what we want?
Remember when Russia - who committed millions more troops and a lot more time than us - bailed out? the Taliban walked back in, and they will this time.
As I have said before many times, The Taliban only have to wait for the invaders to go hom - they already are home.
Remember when Russia - who committed millions more troops and a lot more time than us - bailed out? the Taliban walked back in, and they will this time.
As I have said before many times, The Taliban only have to wait for the invaders to go hom - they already are home.
andy-hughes
The difference is that when the Russian left they left behind a weak and unstable Government and by leaving in the way they did, they let the Moudjahid/taliban come out as victors. You want us to repeat that error.
Afghanistan has had democratic elections. And the Taliban may even win seats in the Government. When we do leave, there won't be the same mess as when the Russians left. That is, if we finish the job.
The difference is that when the Russian left they left behind a weak and unstable Government and by leaving in the way they did, they let the Moudjahid/taliban come out as victors. You want us to repeat that error.
Afghanistan has had democratic elections. And the Taliban may even win seats in the Government. When we do leave, there won't be the same mess as when the Russians left. That is, if we finish the job.
Gromit - I don't us to repeat any error - but we have already done that by invading in the first place.
If you believe that the current government the allies support is in any way 'strong' or likely not to collapse like a house of cards when the military support is withdrawn, then i suggest you are reading and viewing selectively when the medai analysis is forthcoming.
'Finish the job'? What is 'the job', how do you defnine it as being 'finished', and who the hell gave 'the job' to us in the first place?
If you believe that the current government the allies support is in any way 'strong' or likely not to collapse like a house of cards when the military support is withdrawn, then i suggest you are reading and viewing selectively when the medai analysis is forthcoming.
'Finish the job'? What is 'the job', how do you defnine it as being 'finished', and who the hell gave 'the job' to us in the first place?
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