Murder inquiry 40 years after 'Bloody Sunday'.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....ot-dead-soldiers.html

So the police are now going to investigate charges of murder 40 years after the event, following the findings of the 12 year long, £195million inquiry by Lord Saville.

This latest investigation could last another 6 years at a cost close on £8m.

What about the 53 men that the The Parachute Regiment lost, who is to investigate their murder? but then all these terrorist killers have been released and treated with respect by our politicians.

If there were any charges to be made for the killing of those on 'Bloody Sunday' then they should have taken place at the time. not 46 years after at a cost of £203m.

[bazwillrun]

Read this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...hern-ireland-18738838

The filthy murderer McGuinness should be investigated first without a doubt, and when they finally nail this scumbag for at least one of the murders he committed and the other scumbag Adams then they can start looking into army "murders" if it will make you feel some of you feel any better about yourselves.

At 21 years old , he was second-in-command of the IRA in Derry, how many of you honestly believe he didnt commit any murders during his time in the IRA, how do you think he rose to that rank in such an organisation....what, by being a good boy and keeping his nose clean, him and Adams are cut from the same cloth, both filthy murderers that constantly lie through their teeth about their past murdering history.

First Minister…first murderer would be more apt

[ichkeria]

I'm surprised by this news but it is welcome all the same. Reading through these comments I am struck by the 'whataboutery' on display. Must be some sort of record. All sorts of killings in N Ireland are still under investigation. I hope those pontificating so expertly on what they think happened that day have not neglected to give their evidence to the recent Inquiry :-)

[Gromit]

So next time some muslim fanatic blows up a tube train and kills a dozen people as long he can avoid detection for a few years we can forget about the crime and not prosecute him if his identity becomes known later? And the victims families can be fobbed off with, "it happened a long time ago, nothing will be gained by putting the scumbag in prison".

[Gromit]

// Question Author
ummmm

/// You cannot escape the fact that British soldiers killed unarmed innocent people. ///

Oh I was under the impression that no one had been convicted yet.

So much for the chance of them getting a fair trial. //

That was the conclusion of the £195million inquiry - the victims were killed unlawfully. It then follows we should find the killers and bring them to justice. But that won't happen. The Government and Army have protected these killers of civilians and they will continue to do so. No one will go to prison, no one will be held to account. The whole thing is a black stain on the British in Ireland.

[MoonRocker]

So in Gromit land, murderous terrorsts (islam or IRA) deliberately blowing things up to murder and maim are equivalent to accidental deaths during self defence. What a curious outlook you have Gromit.

[sandyRoe]

14 'accidental deaths'? On that day 'Corporal F' shot and killed 3, or maybe 4, people. Was he having a particularly accident prone day?

http://www.channel4.c...lineapos/3682027.html

[ichkeria]

You plainly think these deaths were 'accidental' or 'self defence'. I'd just check with you again that if you have evidence for this view, which contradicts the findings of a long inquiry, wherher you nonetheless submitted this evidence at the time or, if lately acquired, you might now bring it to the attention of a relevant authority?

[MoonRocker]

accidental in the sense that they did not set out to shoot anyone, they were being shot at by the IRA using civilians as human shields, and shot back. That's a whole world of difference to setting out to blow up innocent civilians. The IRA effectively killed those people.

[sandyRoe]

The Saville report, chaired by a prominent English judge, found that the soldiers did not come under fire from terrorists.
I think, MoonRocker, you can't face the truth.

[ichkeria]

And which part of the Inquiry's findings supports that interpretation of events?

[ichkeria]

Sorry I should have made it clear that my comment was addressed to Moonrocker

[anotheoldgit]

/// The report clearly says that the victims did not pose a "threat of causing death or serious injury" or were armed, with the exception of Gerald Donaghey who, the inquiry believed, had nail bombs in his possession when he died, but was not attempting to use them. ///

So there was a threat to the soldiers, and how on earth did the inquiry know that Donaghey would not have used the nail bomb, and do any of you apologists realise what horrible injuries and even death just one nail bomb can cause?

[sandyRoe]

It must be hard to accept that people you put on a pedestal might have feet of clay.
I believe there are old men in Germany still who say that the SS were a much maligned force who never did anything to disgrace their arms.

[MoonRocker]

both sides of this can produce "evidence" to back up their claims. None of us were there. Only those involved know what really happenned. All I'm saying is it's one of many incidents in the "war", lets leave it there.

[anotheoldgit]

/// The report makes particular mention of the role Martin McGuinness, now deputy first minister of Northern Ireland, played on the day, saying he was "probably armed with a Thompson sub-machine gun" before the soldiers arrived. ///

And this person is now Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland, doesn't that make it seem obvious that the inquiry and this consequential investigation are all done for political reasons?

[ichkeria]

You are burying your head in the sand I'm afraid. As for 'apologist' well. I merely go by the findings of a Judge who found that the killings were unlawful. Are you seriously suggesting that 14 unarmed civilians deserved to be shot dead because one of them was in possession of a nail bomb which he apparently wasn't even intending to use??

[jackthehat]

I resent being included as an 'apologist' simply because I believe that there is a case to answer, here.

The argument of *justification* cannot hang on Gerald Donaghey, as the Army were not aware that he had the bombs in his possession at the time they shot him. Yes, you could argue that his killing was a lucky accident and prevented greater loss of life at some future date. But the fact remains that he posed 'no threat' at the time of his death......

I always swayed towards the 'official' version of events, right up to the publication of the Saville Report. I have since revised my position and believe that whether or not 'prison-time' is ever handed down to those responsible, the families who suffered loss on that day, deserve to see the law fully and fairly carried through to its' conclusion.

[anotheoldgit]

sandyRoe

/// I believe there are old men in Germany still who say that the SS were a much maligned force who never did anything to disgrace their arms. ///

So you are now comparing British Paratroopers with the mass murdering SS are you Sandy?

Lets hope no former Paras know who you are.

[ichkeria]

Those of us who remember that day can not have been in any serious doubt that something very wrong happened. Even my dad who was an ardent unionist had nothing to say in the defence if the paratroops on that particular occasion. I used to see Lord Widgery's helicopter overhead every day on my way to school as he flew in to conduct the initial 'inquiry' Money well spent I don't think

[ummmm]

Some people do not know what they are talking about.