Andrew Mitchell's 'pleb' rant

[sir.prize]

As logged by the police officer(s) - and reported by the Daily Telegraph

Andrew Mitchell's 'pleb' rant

http://www.telegraph....chells-pleb-rant.html

[DTCwordfan]

Ohhhhdooooa err we are happanese tourist, hats y.

[Bazile]

//my bet is that he said it but not directly to the officer, as he turned away and muttered to himself.......so yes it's splitting hairs, I know - what AM said yesterday implied that to me as he used the term "directly" //

Even if that was the case that he muttered it to 'himself' - that makes no difference - the fact suggests / remains that it was uttered towards the PC and was audible enough for the PC to have heard it .

Forget about what insulting word was used ( although it speak volumes as to how some think their preceived status is, compared to others ) - essentially this all boils down to a question of integrity and truth - It is a sad state of affairs if we cannot trust the integrity of those appointed to uphold the law OR those who we vote into power to essentially rule a large part of our lives .

Someone is lying - i know who I beleive to be telling the truth , in this case

[Boto]

I realise that he shouldn't have said what he did but isn't it all a bit over the top. It has been one of the main items on the news for days, has nothing else of imortance happend in the world? Now I've heard that the Met is getting involved. Don't we all at some time or other call people names? Do we expect to be arrested? Far too many goody goodies in this country. Too politically correct.

[DTCwordfan]

// It is a sad state of affairs if we cannot trust the integrity of those appointed to uphold the law OR those who we vote into power to essentially rule a large part of our lives . //

Since when have we been able to do that? That is why Parliament needs a major overhaul....

[FredPuli43]

"Visibly shocked" bystanders and why haven't they come forward? 'Visibly shocked" are words which often appear in police reports. It's police language for something like 'people in the hearing or sight who of the man and who were likely to be caused alarm,harassment or distress, were so' ! To justify the arrest, if any, the fact that the man used rude words to the policeman himself would not be sufficient. He has to be causing a breach of the peace; in this case he would have been arrested under section 5, Public Order Act, which requires some proof of others being alarmed etc, or likely to be, by his words or conduct.

It's unrealistic to expect either that the police will take particulars of passers-by or bystanders, even if they have the manpower to hand, just so witnesses can say in court 'I was/ was likely to be alarmed.." or that this disturbance is one which will have bystanders rushing to the nearest officer or police station to report what they've seen. It's not a stabbing or riot!

[jno]

it seems roughly on a par with Brown calling a woman a bigot... and that ran and ran, to the delight of Tories. They can hardly complain now if pleb-talk runs for just as long.

[ludwig]

Pleb-talk? Surely you mean plebgate. Have any of the tabloids started calling it that yet?

[Ellipsis]

Plebgate! Literally ...

But go easy - he'd had a tough day, poor lamb. Maybe the king prawn curry he'd had for lunch wasn't sitting too well. A fine example he sets us all of how to deal with the police when life is so rough for you ...