Blimey, Are Things That Bad In This Country That Our Illegals Are Paying To Leave?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265646/Illegal-immigrants-pay-1-500-smuggled-OUT-Britain-Fears-gangs-helping-foreign-criminals-flee-country.html

/// ‘It suggests that attempts to crack down on failed asylum seekers and overstayers – as well as the downturn in our own economy and subsequent lack of work here – could at last be having an effect. ///

/// Illegal immigrants who are caught by the authorities are offered financial ‘bribes’ if they agree to go home. ///

Now that is good of us, we are so accommodating in this country.

/// Officials estimate a forced deportation costs more than £11,000. ///

I would love to see a breakdown of this figure, one could have a deluxe all expenses paid holiday abroad, in a five star hotel situated in some exotic resort, for that amount.

[AB Editor]

http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/deportations-removals-and-voluntary-departures-uk

I haven't had chance to look properly yet, but the PDF here ^^ might get you closer to the breakdown of costs. At a guess I'd suggest it's the sheer number of people involved to force someone out of the country over a period of months?

[AB Editor]

Some more bits from that site:

"In Parliamentary written answers, Immigration Minister Mark Harper reported government expenditures of close to £28.4 million on deportation flights in 2010-11, an increase from £20.2 million in 2006-07. (See also Green 2010, Woolas 2009)."

And here's a bit of a breakdown of costs for you:

"Moreover, the flight itself is only one component of the cost of an enforced removal—the NAO’s 2005 report calculated the cost of removing failed asylum seekers at £11,000 per person. This total cost had the following component: £2800 for detection and arrest, £5800 for detention, £1500 for obtaining travel documents and “dealing with further representations” and £900 for removal itself. This means that the cost of flights (i.e. removal) make up only about 8% of the cost of enforced removals."

Costs of a non-forced deportation:

"A return through an assisted voluntary return program, on the other hand, cost about £1,100 in 2003-04 according to the NAOs 2005 calculation. Meanwhile, UKBA internal impact assessments estimate the average cost of removing a person directly from port at £500, or £1000 for cases that include overnight detention. Within the group of people refused entry and subsequently removed, it is not shown in existing data how many are removed after an overnight stay (or perhaps more than one night), and how many (if any) are removed the same day."

[anotheoldgit]

AB Editor

Thanks for that piece of information, but that does not mean it could be done much cheaper, but eh, that's officialdom for you, money no object.

[Gromit]

And 350,000 Brits are emigrating every year.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// And 350,000 Brits are emigrating every year. ///

I wonder why?

[Gromit]

Triple dip recession.
No economic growth
No jobs for their children
High taxes
Cuts to basic services
Bloody cold weather

[youngmafbog]

But Gromit, many of those things are not available elsewhere or are worse (high taxes). Surely you need to analyse where they are going before you make such sweeping comments, clearly aimed at Tory bashing.

[AB Editor]

"Thanks for that piece of information, but that does not mean it could be done much cheaper, but eh, that's officialdom for you, money no object."

Seems about right to me, to be honest - here's my, simplistic, retelling of the breakdown shared above:

£11,000 per person total cost.

£2800 for detection and arrest = Police

£5800 for detention = Cell, guards and usual overheads (food etc). If they're detained for a month I can see how you get to this number - the number for the port turn-arounds was much lower, even over-night, so you assume there's extra over-land travel costs built into this number.

£1500 for obtaining travel documents and “dealing with further representations” = Lawyers :)

£900 = Flight

The flight might be cheaper on Ryanair, but I'm not sure even someone being deported would put up with that level of abuse... That, or it is already Ryanair - and that's a built in budget for a packet of crisps and a sandwich...

[emmie]

gromit, at least many of the Brits will go with something, unlike many of our more recent incomers. No other country will put up with you arriving on the doorstep potless.
Besides we don't know the makeup of these Brits who are leaving, they could be British Asians going back to India, Pakistan, but whoever they are unlikely they don't have something, someone to go to.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

You missed the most important factor out:

Leaving because their country is no longer the country they once knew, all down to the mass immigration of foreign nationals, who do not want to become British and embrace Britishness, but they just wish to set up their country's ways and traditions in Britain, which in turn is strangling out of existence the traditional British person.

[emmie]

certainly the most common destinations, Canada, Australia, New Zealand won't, their rules on immigration are a lot tougher than ours, and doubt many can bunk in on the back of a lorry, and then disappear into a big city.

[AB Editor]

AOG, those who have moved away (in my personal experience) have done so because a better quality of life can be achieved elsewhere - i.e. the beer, cheese and bread are better.

[Gromit]

But AOG, we have always had immigration and areas full of foreigners.

Before the immigration from the end of Empire we had the Irish. Before that we had the Jews. Before that the Hugenouts. Its nothing new.

And we have always had emigration too.

[emmie]

no one is saying that, what however, and it's been pointed out endless times, is that we now have a very complex welfare state, something that is fairly recent. Which means that now there is more than a fair chance of someone entering the country illegally, getting help financially, and in many cases not being able to be kicked out, and back to their own country, even when they have committed a crime.

[Gromit]

Of course our country has changed. It always has and it always will.
It cannot be frozen in time. And that point which was good for you may have been bad for many other people. There are some people now who think this is great and everything is wonderful. Time and age make us all a little more cynical.

[emmie]

and when the rules change on the Bulgarians and Rumanians being allowed the same benefits as other EU member states, see more heading here. the government of the time admitted they had no idea of the flood of people coming here from Poland, a small figure was estimated at the time, however it wasn't a small amount but a veritable flood, which in turns means that those people have to be accommodated, schools for the children, and hospital, GP care too. If local and central government don't know how many to cater for, then it's very difficult to keep these services going in the way that we would need.

[emmie]

for heavens sake, you just don't get it, we know it constantly changes, but once people who arrived in UK had to make their own way in life, nothing but nothing was handed to them on a plate, that applied to all. It is different now, for one thing we are totally mired in EU policies, many of which are not good, some of these directives are positively stupid, and some people have taken advantage of that, and made it their life's work to see that we follow EU law to the letter, no matter how stupid or unfair on the majority of the citizens.

[anotheoldgit]

AB Editor

/// AOG, those who have moved away (in my personal experience) have done so because a better quality of life can be achieved elsewhere - i.e. the beer, cheese and bread are better. ///

Yes but apart from the beer (that is a matter of opinion) the cheese (can't beat a bit of Cheddar, puts a piece of Camembert into insignificance) or the bread (can't beat home-made) why is the quality of life better?

Imagine the quality of life we would now be enjoying in England (I say England because it affects us more than the rest of the UK) if we could turn the clock back to pre mass immigration to these shores?

[anotheoldgit]

Couldn't have put it better Em.

[Ric.ror]

I'd probably still be sat here freezing