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Ridding The World Of Terrorism - Can Cameron Handle It?
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The world would be a safer place without terrorism no doubt. But a report recently says there are over 1,000,000 militant Muslims and their offshoots spread throughout the world. We have seen what terror they can cause in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and now a major slice of North Africa. Now that Obama is taking a back seat this void is led by Cameron. Does he deserve our encouragement?
The world would be a safer place without terrorism no doubt. But a report recently says there are over 1,000,000 militant Muslims and their offshoots spread throughout the world. We have seen what terror they can cause in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and now a major slice of North Africa. Now that Obama is taking a back seat this void is led by Cameron. Does he deserve our encouragement?
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who was complicit in the slave trade, many countries, but add in Arab traders, African tribal leaders getting rid of their enemies,
who captured millions, of white settlers from around European settlements centuries ago, North African corsairs, those captured also included many from these shores, captured into slavery most never seen again.
Had Britain not stood up to be counted in both WW1, WW2, how many of the peoples of Africa, Asia, would have survived or at least been put to work till they dropped, died.
WW2 was a world war, led by a Jew hating madman, who wasn't just going to stop there.
Terrorists are not just based in Afghanistan, but Pakistan, and anywhere you choose, their aim is not about defending their countries, as Britain did in both wars, but about subjugating the populace of the countries they take over, better look at Mali for some much needed education.
The ordinary folk of Mali didn't want the insurgents, extremists and the French so far have pushed them back, but that is not to say that if the French leave they won't come back. So if ordinary Malians don't want the Islamic extremists because they know what they are capable of, subjugation of them at every turn, then why shouldn't western forces go in to help.
who was complicit in the slave trade, many countries, but add in Arab traders, African tribal leaders getting rid of their enemies,
who captured millions, of white settlers from around European settlements centuries ago, North African corsairs, those captured also included many from these shores, captured into slavery most never seen again.
Had Britain not stood up to be counted in both WW1, WW2, how many of the peoples of Africa, Asia, would have survived or at least been put to work till they dropped, died.
WW2 was a world war, led by a Jew hating madman, who wasn't just going to stop there.
Terrorists are not just based in Afghanistan, but Pakistan, and anywhere you choose, their aim is not about defending their countries, as Britain did in both wars, but about subjugating the populace of the countries they take over, better look at Mali for some much needed education.
The ordinary folk of Mali didn't want the insurgents, extremists and the French so far have pushed them back, but that is not to say that if the French leave they won't come back. So if ordinary Malians don't want the Islamic extremists because they know what they are capable of, subjugation of them at every turn, then why shouldn't western forces go in to help.
Keyplus, re your internet listing without link
1}World wars were territorial & included muslims in the allied forces
2a}Grossly exaggerated numbers of fallen indigenous in Australia, America & Africa.
2b}above countries were 'discovered' by pioneers, who only killed in defence.
3) Slavery was endemic within African culture before Brit Empire abolished it.
4} Japan attacked USA first & USA retaliated. moral - dont fight giants
1}World wars were territorial & included muslims in the allied forces
2a}Grossly exaggerated numbers of fallen indigenous in Australia, America & Africa.
2b}above countries were 'discovered' by pioneers, who only killed in defence.
3) Slavery was endemic within African culture before Brit Empire abolished it.
4} Japan attacked USA first & USA retaliated. moral - dont fight giants
Keyplus, //…refresh memory of those people who only have a processor fitted that goes as far as last few years.//
As much as your sympathies clearly lie with these madmen, attempting to introduce silly tit for tat arguments in defence of them is not a defence. It doesn’t alter the fact that Islamic terrorists are, right now, creating turmoil in this world.
Incidentally, I doubt most of those you agree with agree with you regarding that American spawned ‘myth’, Al Qaeda, or that other US conspiracy, 9/11.
As much as your sympathies clearly lie with these madmen, attempting to introduce silly tit for tat arguments in defence of them is not a defence. It doesn’t alter the fact that Islamic terrorists are, right now, creating turmoil in this world.
Incidentally, I doubt most of those you agree with agree with you regarding that American spawned ‘myth’, Al Qaeda, or that other US conspiracy, 9/11.
All you get here, are known excuses. And then few call me a hailer of terrorism. Tell you what double standards there as well. Anyone who believes that I was jumping up and down with joy when 9/11 happened should take a reality test. I can show double standards of may here within minutes. I have posted this before and here it is "YET ONCE AGIN"
I, keyplus 90 condemn all of the terrorist attacks carried out anywhere in the world, including 9/11, 7/7 and any other where innocent people were killed. And I say that people who carried out these attacks are coward people and are bad people whoever they are. And I also condemn state terrorism in Afghanistan, Palestine, Pakistan, Iraq, Kashmir and anywhere else where not in hundreds but in 100s of thousands have ben and are being killed.
Now let's see how many can repeat this? My previous experiences have told me that not many will condemn Palestinian children melted away by the white phosphorus of Israelis. Let's hope people change their mind now.
I, keyplus 90 condemn all of the terrorist attacks carried out anywhere in the world, including 9/11, 7/7 and any other where innocent people were killed. And I say that people who carried out these attacks are coward people and are bad people whoever they are. And I also condemn state terrorism in Afghanistan, Palestine, Pakistan, Iraq, Kashmir and anywhere else where not in hundreds but in 100s of thousands have ben and are being killed.
Now let's see how many can repeat this? My previous experiences have told me that not many will condemn Palestinian children melted away by the white phosphorus of Israelis. Let's hope people change their mind now.
OK keyplus90, does your condemnation extend to to the many Palestinian terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians - including the butchering of an entire family as they slept where a three month old baby's head was cut off?
That last fact probably to demonstrate that they were indeed Muslims, as this is the preferred method of murder by 'the people of peace'.
That last fact probably to demonstrate that they were indeed Muslims, as this is the preferred method of murder by 'the people of peace'.
Keyplus, according to you Muslims weren’t responsible for 9/11 nor for the brutal beheading of Ken Bigley – and of course, your interpretation of the word ‘innocent’ is likely to differ with that of your reader. Your reputation precedes you so few here are likely to take you seriously. The quotes I gave earlier from you indicate exactly where your sympathies lie.
Typical, no one repeated my words but just made excuses.
My post was in simple English. When someone says "anyone" that covers anyone and everyone.
Any one who doubts my definition of innocent, please give me your definition. Let's see what you grade as innocent? Perhaps your definition of innocent is "any one but Muslims", or come on prove me wrong. Perhaps that is the reason you do not want to condemn. So let's make it simple
Do you condemn Palestinian children being killed by Israleis?
Do you condemn Afghan children being killed by USA and CO?
My post was in simple English. When someone says "anyone" that covers anyone and everyone.
Any one who doubts my definition of innocent, please give me your definition. Let's see what you grade as innocent? Perhaps your definition of innocent is "any one but Muslims", or come on prove me wrong. Perhaps that is the reason you do not want to condemn. So let's make it simple
Do you condemn Palestinian children being killed by Israleis?
Do you condemn Afghan children being killed by USA and CO?
Keyplus, //Do you condemn Palestinian children being killed by Israleis?
Do you condemn Afghan children being killed by USA and CO?//
You missed one or two sections out there. The Israeli children being killed by Palestinians – and let’s not forget the Muslim children being killed by Muslims.
Your tit for tat argument is not constructive – it’s childish. You don’t believe Muslim extremists were responsible for 9/11, and therefore they are innocent. Similarly the murderers of Ken Bigley. Stop trying to play with words. You know it doesn’t work.
What a pity that genuine Muslim causes appear to have only madmen to represent them on the world stage. Radical Islam, with its backward philosophy, is alienating itself from the rest of the world more and more every day. It can never win - but nevertheless the madness continues.
Do you condemn Afghan children being killed by USA and CO?//
You missed one or two sections out there. The Israeli children being killed by Palestinians – and let’s not forget the Muslim children being killed by Muslims.
Your tit for tat argument is not constructive – it’s childish. You don’t believe Muslim extremists were responsible for 9/11, and therefore they are innocent. Similarly the murderers of Ken Bigley. Stop trying to play with words. You know it doesn’t work.
What a pity that genuine Muslim causes appear to have only madmen to represent them on the world stage. Radical Islam, with its backward philosophy, is alienating itself from the rest of the world more and more every day. It can never win - but nevertheless the madness continues.
More excuses and still not condemnation. Ok I will push you further as I am trying to expose double standards. Although when I said “any innocent” that covered everybody, but then you had problem without my definition of innocent although even after asking so many time you have never given me your definition of innocent, and still I am saying here that before you even give me your definition of innocent, I agree with whatever you call innocent. But let’s go bit by bit as you wish,
////You missed one or two sections out there. The Israeli children being killed by Palestinians – and let’s not forget the Muslim children being killed by Muslims.////
I keyplus 90 condemn Israeli children being killed by Palestinians, and Muslim children being killed by Muslims.
Now let’s see if I will get the answer to my question, I will repeat them again.
1 - Do you condemn Palestinian children being killed by Israleis?
2 - Do you condemn Afghan children being killed by USA and CO?
And I know you would not give your definition of innocent so I will test you on that as well,
3 - Do you believe that children I am talking about in number 1 and 2 were innocent?
////You missed one or two sections out there. The Israeli children being killed by Palestinians – and let’s not forget the Muslim children being killed by Muslims.////
I keyplus 90 condemn Israeli children being killed by Palestinians, and Muslim children being killed by Muslims.
Now let’s see if I will get the answer to my question, I will repeat them again.
1 - Do you condemn Palestinian children being killed by Israleis?
2 - Do you condemn Afghan children being killed by USA and CO?
And I know you would not give your definition of innocent so I will test you on that as well,
3 - Do you believe that children I am talking about in number 1 and 2 were innocent?
////Could it be that Islam is speaking with strident voices now because moderate ones are largely ignored?////
I agree 100% and if someone does not agree with what sandy said, then all they have to do is to have a look at all of the UNO resolutions never ever been acted upon. I have always believed that UNO is only there to give power to few countries over many other countries. Those few countries only talk about UNO when it suits them and completely rubishes UNO when they want it their own way. USA attack on Iraq is one example and very recent example.
I agree 100% and if someone does not agree with what sandy said, then all they have to do is to have a look at all of the UNO resolutions never ever been acted upon. I have always believed that UNO is only there to give power to few countries over many other countries. Those few countries only talk about UNO when it suits them and completely rubishes UNO when they want it their own way. USA attack on Iraq is one example and very recent example.
Were the 'moderate' voices referred to calling for the same things as the more strident ones? Sharia law worldwide; women as second class citizens; stoning to death for adultery; no schooling for girls; burning of non Islamic religious books; etc.?
Or were they asking for help in ridding themselves of religious maniacs killing their own people who did not want such ancient, barbaric practices to continue.
There is a very big difference between the tragedy of Palestinian and Afghan children killed by Israeli and American forces and those killed by Muslim extremists and terrorists. The Israeli and Americans did not deliberately target them. The terrorists and extremists did.
Or were they asking for help in ridding themselves of religious maniacs killing their own people who did not want such ancient, barbaric practices to continue.
There is a very big difference between the tragedy of Palestinian and Afghan children killed by Israeli and American forces and those killed by Muslim extremists and terrorists. The Israeli and Americans did not deliberately target them. The terrorists and extremists did.
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