Terror Attack In London

[ummmm]

Breaking News on BBC now.

[emmie]

suggest you do spell checker next time....

[jim360]

...

Drat.

[Zeuhl]

/How often during your 'market research' do you get the view of the man on the street on subjects of this nature?
As I said, insular and detached. OK? /

No that's not OK Chill

I have to say i'm surprised that someone who works in the NHS has such a blind spot for stats, quantification and validity of findings

I have never conducted research into what the 'man in the street' thinks about 'this subject' but i would have thought it was obvious even to the most stubborn and obtuse that your assertion, that the views of a handful of people in any works 'rest room' would be likely to represent the entire population, is fundamentally unsound.

I tell you what Chill. If you don't tell me how to conduct market research I won't tell you how to push a hospital trolley.

OK?

[pdust]

Em who straps bombs to their women ?

[Peter Pedant]

Historically, in the fifties, the Algerians (FNLA ) in their fight for tahrir
used to use women to run guns thro the French check points - because it was agreed they couldnt be searched.

The French secretly X rayed (yes X rayed) them as they passed through and developed the films in real time [almost] no I dont have a reference for the last bit. [ possibly in La Bataille d'Algiers, 1966]

[DTCwordfan]

pdust:

http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=2392&subcatid=384

also the use of young boys.

[pdust]

Thanks Peter but running guns and strapping bombs to someone (and the way em said it I assumed she meant bombs that would explode rather than be dropped off somewhere) are different things .. Unless you were replying to someone else in which case ignore me as I haven't read rest of thread

[naomi24]

Pixi, /I assumed she meant bombs that would explode rather than be dropped off somewhere //

I'm sure she did. Have a look under the heading 'Female Suicide Bombers'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Female_suicide_bombers

[pdust]

Thanks deet I'm working so may have missed bits on the link its taken me all this time to read between doing jobs ... I found where it says word has it that young kids are being trained but that isn't fact though I guess it may happen but nowhere did I see where it said they are using women as em suggested ... I know for a fact there's female mujihadeen that are willing to fight and die on on jihad but the way em said it I thought she meant they were being used against their will ... If you read this em could you please clarify what you mean and give links to facts if that is what you meant thanks

[pdust]

Naomi I can't see an heading female suicide bombers but I'm on my phone and snatching minutes a time so will look properly when in home thanks

[ChillDoubt]

I tell you what Chill. If you don't tell me how to conduct market research I won't tell you how to push a hospital trolley.

OK?
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Ha ha, yeah, OK. Don't believe I told you how to do anything, you really must get a grip of that paranoia. As I say, you've got no idea in your little bubble.
And market research about DIY too? It's all go at the sharp end, eh? What's the biggest downside to your day? Potential paper cut? Photocopier jam?

Carry on viewing life with your rose tinted glasses, as I've said before some of us live in the real world. One day you might experience it.

[jim360]

Chill -- everyone lives in the real world. Some of them know how to understand it and extract genuine opinions from noise. Market researchers are far better placed to understand how to gauge opinion than most. Rather like you are far better placed than I am and ever will be to understand the problems of the NHS, and I know more about Physics than you.

[ummmm]

Well said Jim. This not living in the real world nonsense is exactly that, nonsense!

[Svejk]

To be fair,chilli, you might desperately need a bit of market research one day.;)

[DTCwordfan]

Chill - stop trying to demean MR - when properly conducted and with the representative statistic correlations, it can be pretty accurate and incisive; I'm not saying that there can't be surprises, there are - and usually a result of poorly thought through programmes in scientific/statistical construction and practice - bit like Doctor diagnoses perhaps?

I am a member of the UK MR Soc and have had exposure to some great and also some bloody awful work - as well as trying to counter some of the negative perceptions, not least the "Double Glazing" approach to MR - which I abhor.

[Svejk]

I'm sure chilli can speak for himself but I think he's been very costrained in reply to the 'I won't tell you how to push a hospital trolley' type remarks.

[Svejk]

Or restrained even.

[Gromit]

I'm not sure I do accept the distinction.

If you drop a bomb on a group of 30 people, the majority of whom are women and children and then you just say 'oops, we didn't mean it, I don't think that is civilised at all. If I had witness such batbaric savagery, then one death in far away London would seem small fry.

Is killing innocents hand to hand more barbaric then taking out whole families with a drone attack? Personally, I do not think so.

[ChillDoubt]

Who was demeaning MR? I'm sure it's a very efficient tool in the right context.
On a previous thread I was pointing out to Zeuhl the thoughts and comments of colleagues within an NHS staff room.
People who look after the sick, elderly, frail, infirm and people suffering from all manner of ailments, without favour.
As in any other staff room on any day in the UK I daresay there are those who pass comment on how some crimes deserve the death penalty. Some may comment on how they believe there are far too many eastern europeans and other migrants in this country. They'll comment on all manner of events.
On that particular thread I was highlighting how so many of my colleagues were in favour of the death penalty, which one might not expect from Doctors, nurses and health care professionals.
Zeuhl sought to demean such views, suggesting that they were not indicative of the wider population, but in that usual superior and dismissive manner.
General concensus from a workforce doesn't really register with Zeuhl.

Maybe MR into DIY is very relevant to Zeuhl but it doesn't really give any indication as to the depth of general feeling over issues discussed here, does it?

Furthermore, at no point did I tell Zeuhl how to conduct MR either, but that appears to be overlooked. Maybe Zeuhl in turn will tell me how to position the patient, set the table, camera's, ultrasonic machine, diathermy machine, insufflator and gas warmer for a laparoscopic oesophagectomy?
But then I'm only a trolley pusher I guess, same as Zeuhl is a pen pusher, no?

[naomi24]

Gromit, I can only presume that you were also able to shrug off the beheading of Ken Bigley and all the other innocent hostages who have suffered the same horrendous fate at the hands of fanatical religious madmen. War is war, and war brings casualties on all sides. This was not war. It was cold blooded murder carried out in the most horrific and barbaric way imaginable.