Edl Tribute Marches To Lee Rigby

[dave50]

These have been going on up and down the country this weekend despite various 'anti'facist' groups trying to stir things up. It seems to me that if you are against these tribute marches by the EDL then you must be in support of the murderers.

[emmie]

are you an expert they are mentally ill, one of the murderers was in court in Kenya back in 2010, according the reports he was picked up by the Kenyan authorities as he was on the way to join an Islamist group in Somalia, he seemed to be perfectly competent, talking to the court with complaints of one thing or another. That is not to say you cannot fall ill, however the two men deliberately used the car as a battering ram to knock the man into a wall, then got out the car and hacked him to death, then in front of many witnesses dragged his body to the middle of the road, proclaiming this was in revenge for all the Muslims being killed overseas. If mental illness is used as an excuse for this killing, it will do a great disservice to those who genuinely struggle day to day, who don't go out and murder someone in cold blood.

[emmie]

some just don't want to accept that there are some in our midst who have been born and raised here, who fall prey to radical preachers, one of whom was Anjem Choudary, currently taking the piss of of Britain by living off benefits, all the while showing himself as hateful as some of the band of EDL supporters.

[Sqad]

Ted Bundy...nice guy, good looking, charming, well mannered (most of the time)
Bundy underwent multiple psychiatric examinations; the experts' conclusions varied. Dorothy Otnow Lewis, Professor of Psychiatry at the New York University School of Medicine and an authority on violent behavior, initially made a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, but later changed her impression more than once. She also suggested the possibility of a multiple personality disorder, based on behaviors described in interviews and court testimony: A great-aunt witnessed an episode during which Bundy "... seemed to turn into another, unrecognizable person ... [she] suddenly, inexplicably found herself afraid.

O.K that is a single person, not a double act, but you get the Psychiatic approach that will be launched.

[jno]

I said I wasn't an expert, em, and asked if you were. The word of Kenyan authorities doesn't seem specially authoritative to me.

[naomi24]

jno, arguing whether or not these killers are mentally ill is pointless. We don’t know. However, in the light of our considerable experience of the results of the sickening ideology of radical Islam, it seems reasonable to conclude that this barbaric act was committed wilfully and purposefully. Or perhaps you think all radical Islamists who either commit acts or terror, or encourage others to do so, are mentally ill?

[emmie]

he was up in court, the Kenyan authorities believed he was on his way to join an Islamist group, so you think that was made up, it's on video, as is the vile footage of the two men hacking the soldier to pieces, filmed by any number of people, as there is of both men talking after the event to members of the public, of their vengeance for the Muslims being killed, i can't really see how you can see these two men who planned this, as insane. Deliberate and premeditated, a man dead at the hands of extremists, no different from those who planted bombs on our streets.

[emmie]

exactly my point, the men who plotted the atrocities of the London bombings weren't mentally ill, and no one has ever suggested they were, and i don't this any differently.

[boxtops]

I'm far more supportive of the people who are laying floral tributes at our war memorial in memory of Lee, than people trying to stir up hatred because of the action of a few nutters.

[jno]

Or perhaps you think all radical Islamists who either commit acts or terror, or encourage others to do so, are mentally ill?

I've said nothing of the sort but feel free to make up my views for me as you please.

[emmie]

how many plots has the security services foiled in recent days, how many are just a few nutters, that is what worries me,

[naomi24]

jno, I haven't made anything up. I've questioned your reasoning - hence the question mark.

[naomi24]

Boxy, but they're not nutters. They're Muslims following what they consider to be Islamic teaching - and they can justify it.

[FredPuli43]

Irrational beliefs, particularly ones which cause someone to murder, might just be seen as evidence of mental illness. mightn't they, naomi? Anyway, it's the best line the defence have got.

[emmie]

The two men will hopefully be found guilty of murder and go to prison for good.

[emmie]

Fred, can that rule apply to the 2 million or more Muslims who live in UK, if you think it's an irrational belief, they can't all be mentally ill on that basis.

[mikey4444]

Dave...what complete rot ! Grow up.

[FredPuli43]

Not all; I venture to suggest very few; Muslims have the irrational belief that they are entitled to kill a soldier in the street, em10.

[emmie]

that may be the case, but many do believe that there is no faith but Islam, and not just those who live in countries which are predominently Muslim.

[FredPuli43]

And that, em, is a belief held by Roman Catholics though few would be minded to murder a doctor who conducts abortions, however much the doctrine is against abortion. Granted that Catholicism may not be the state religion of any country, Vatican City being a possible exception, but the principle still holds; anyone who commits cold blooded murder because they believe it is justified by their religion is acting outside the principles of that religion

[mushroom25]

fred, the penalty for apostasy, according to the hadith, is death.

that's about as clear an example of killing in the name of one's religion as there could be.