Helmand's Top Female Police Officer Shot Dead

[naomi24]

Once the international community leaves, what hope is there for women? Should we, as Heather Barr, Afghanistan researcher for Human Rights Watch says, do more to ensure women's rights are protected - and if so, what?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/10159122/Helmands-top-female-police-officer-shot-dead.html

[Sharingan]

Okay imagine for a moment that you are right, and I have no idea what I am talking about ( which I disagree with but I'm happy to humour you on this). What would YOU do in Afghanistan to ensure women's rights are protected? What are YOUR answers to this since you have pretty much every Muslim male pegged as some sort of sociopathic lunatic? I'm interested because of something someone once said to me about your posts being a springboard for bashing religions ( usually, but not confined to, Islam) and nothing else. I'd hope that is not the case but I'm getting less and less convinced about it the more of your posts I read. What is the sense of posting a question when you only want responses that agree with you, and sorry but you do ridicule people who don't however intelligently and politely they put their case. So how do we save the women of Afghanistan from their own culture, I really am dying to know because I do agree it needs to be done?

[Gromit]

That's a bit freaky Noami.
You accused me of ridicule earlier today and the same charge has been levelled back at you (with knobs on).

[emmie]

you come across as an apologist for radical Islam, no matter how reprehensible the behaviour, no matter how many instances one can cite of ill treatment of women there are in these countries. and as Naomi has pointed out these are not little numbers but huge. Have you actually taken a look at what women have to wear in these countries, in Afghanistan its covered head to toe, if the Taliban get their way, as they may well do, the country and its people will be going backwards, not remotely forward. Morsi was going to do the same, inflicting cultural and specifically religious changes which was not remotely clear when he came to power, even if he was democratically elected. Many of the young don't want this dogma, why would they, Morsi supporters want the old way, men in the ascendancy, women to know their place, not something we subscribe to surely, so why should they.

[naomi24]

Sharingan. Despite your appalling incivility I will answer you. Negative opinions of my posts, be they yours or anyone else’s are of no interest to me whatsoever – and I don’t need you to humour me. May I venture to suggest that lessons in getting over yourself would benefit your education?

Onwards. I haven’t given my solution to the question I posted – I have no idea how women’s rights may be protected once the international community withdraws – hence the question. Apart from saying that women’s rights should be protected, you have offered no solution, so you clearly have no idea either – but thank you for your input.

Gromit, ha ha! Did you really return to this thread just to jump on someone else’s puerile and unpleasant little bandwagon? I was rather hoping you’d address the point I made at 14:25 yesterday about black people and the disabled – but that aside, yes the charge has been levelled back at me, together with several others – and none of them accurate so hardly with knobs on. You, dear Gromit, really should know better - but in the case of the accuser I suppose allowances must be made.

Em. How little some people understand.

[emmie]

i wonder they keep on apologising for such vile behaviour, you wouldn't here would you, yet it seems to acceptable that as it's a foreign land, we aren't supposed to be concerned, i am just as concerned no matter where it is. Gromit sadly has shown himself by any number of posts and comments to be somewhat anti Zionist, so perhaps there's the clue. I don't have the answer but i do think that it's for the politicians to try and sit around a table to take things forward. The plight of many women around the globe is still precarious, ill educated, no life, except for breeding and feeding the next batch of poor children.

[naomi24]

Em, I don’t know if Gromit is anti-Zionist or not – he sometimes comes across as being anti-practically everything – but when injustice is prevalent in any section of society anywhere in the world, people who do have the freedom to speak out should care. That’s my opinion anyway – but I’m just one of those damned, despised, atheists. ;o)

[Sharingan]

I am not uncivil, because I dare to disagree with you and you clearly do need humouring otherwise you would not behave way you have now when anyone challenges your view of the world.
I ought to get over myself? That's really quite rich coming from someone who described my request for intelligent and polite posts from you as a 'puerile bandwagon', and please don't feel the need to make 'allowances' for me, I find you quite amusing in your hysterical intransigence.
Is it worth anyone proffering their opinion on one of your threads if it's not the same as your own? Not really, so I won't waste any more of my time ( like a few before me) arguing with you.
My last word on the actual question itself is that the only way anyone's rights can be protected is by legislation within the country itself, political brokering with the problem element ( in this instance the Taliban) and financial and power incentives for the same people. Whilst that really does stick in my throat, it's the only ( very slow, very painful) way forward, and I'm sorry to say but there are no quick ways to catapult Afghanistan into your shiny 21st century western civilisation, but simply *** ging off Islam in general is only going to be counter productive to what you actually want to achieve.
No more responses from me so feel free to ignore or ridicule all you like.

[naomi24]

Sharingan, Oh dear. I'll put that confused barrage down to confusion. Again, thank you for your input.

[Sharingan]

Lol , hilarious! Have a good day Naomi ;-)

[grumpy01]

Seems to me that all the loss of life,our soldiers(sent to fight someone else's war)and Afghan national's will all be for nothing when all troops leave and Karzi(excuse spelling if wrong) and his mates are left to run it.

[naomi24]

Grumpy, sadly I think you're right.

[whiskeryron]

I do not think that there will be any peace in this world until all religions are totally eradicated.

WR.

[emmie]

he called Parliament a swarm of Jews, how nice eh, and Melanie Phillips of the Mail a Zionist, i would say that i have a good memory for these things, some times good, some bad...

[emmie]

grumpy, it will be a waste as they must have known, the Russians didn't do well there, nor did we long ago. As to women in Afghanistan, it's up to the government of the country, when there is a stable one to put together some decent laws in place, for their protection, i won't hold my breath, however making deals with the Taliban will ensure their role in whatever government comes along.

[Sharingan]

Hopefully there might be a few young men like this in Afghanistan too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QeDm2PrNV1I

[sandyRoe]

If that lad was in Afghanistan he might have signed his own death warrant with that speech.

[Sharingan]

He might still have in Egypt, but that is the only way anything will change is when people stand up and say and do the right thing even to their ultimate cost.

[EcclesCake]

What an eloquent young man.

And there are many similar views held by urbane Afghanis. Political and social progression is happening amongst young Afghanis and there IS progress, albeit much misunderstood by Western commentators.

It is frustrating that so little of the broadcast news shows the progress, just the grim side of things, there is hope amongst the people and things have improved greatly over the last decade. Forever offering the negativity is wrong when there is much to be positive about in the eyes of so many Afghans.

[Zeuhl]

o dear naomi

I've just read through the thread and noticed your exchanges with 15 year old sharingan

I was disappointed to find that mature attempts at a constructive, intelligent discussion were repeatedly thwarted by adolescent, petulant, rude put-downs.

Why did you respond like that naomi? are you having an off day?

ps Melanie Phillips is a rabid Zionist - to the extent that she accuses anyone who dares criticise Israel (even other Jews) of being 'anti semitic!

[naomi24]

Zeuhl, I don’t know what you’ve been reading but it’s clearly not what’s been written here – and no, I’m not having an off day. Now let’s see. Sharingan says she knows all about Islam, but she is happy to humour me; apparently I have every Muslim male pegged as some sort of sociopathic lunatic; my posts are a springboard for bashing religions (usually, but not confined to, Islam) and nothing else (she clearly missed the one earlier today when I was talking about knickers), I seek to ignore and ridicule people, and she doesn’t see the sense in me posting since I only want opinions that agree with my own. Unlike you, I do not consider that to be a mature attempt at a constructive, intelligent discussion. On the other hand, she asked me why I think her knowledge of Islam is lacking and I told her – and I told her that I object to her lack of civility – which I do. Whether Sharingan is 15 or 95, incivility is incivility – and if my response to that incivility disappoints you, so be it.

ps. I have no idea why you mentioned Melanie Phillips on this thread.