Andrew Mitchell

[Just-Jude]

Police officers found to be lying yet again! If they're willing to stitch up a senior Tory MP, what chance have ordinary members of the public got?

With the Met now so corrupt and seeing itself as above the law, does anyone still think it's fit for purpose?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24536328

[DTCwordfan]

A bit like the French Revolution here - no winners on this one on either side and a dishonourable draw at best.

[Peter Pedant]

I think David Cameron and his mandarins (not the one who failed to call for the CCTV altho it was available) will have a good idea !

DPG is re-routed to Buck Palace and embassies where they cant do any harm and they (Davie and his rich hangers on) found the Downing St Protection Squad whose purpose is to......
protect (rather than dob in or bear false witness about) 10 Downing St......

simples - why didnt anyone think of that before ?

[Gromit]

// The Independent Police Complaints Commission said West Mercia Police were wrong to conclude the three officers had no case to answer for misconduct. //

Self regulation failing again.

[mikey4444]

Everybody in Britain deserves to be treated by the Police in a fair and incorrupt manner, even Posh Public School boys.

It would seem that those Met Police chickens are coming home to roost
in squadrons ! Despite being exposed by the IPCC, and giving our Home Secretary some "troubled" reading material, the Police still think that they have done nothing wrong !

Couldn't make it up if you tried.

[mikey4444]

DTCwordfan...there is most certainly a winner to be had here, and its the called the truth. When our Police start lying, in order to smear and fit-up a democratically-elected politician, we are way down the slippery slope.

Can I remind everyone that 8 people have been arrested, including 4 serving Police officers in this affair. As has already been said on here, if they can get away with fitting up a high-profile MP, what chance does us mere mortals have ?

The whole business is disgusting. The Police are so stupid and cack-handed, that they can't even make a decent attempt at lying properly.

[murraymints]

Well said mikey !!

[mikey4444]

Thanks MM ! These stories of corrupt Policemen make me so mad !

[murraymints]

As I said...wouldn't trust 'em !

[mikey4444]

The difficulty is MM, that they are the only game in town. If we can't trust the Police to be honest, what alternative do we have ?

[FredPuli43]

Welcome to the real world ! If the police have fabricated evidence to fit some person to an alleged crime e.g . by asserting that passers-by looked shocked and alarmed (an ingredient of an offence) , when there were none, or by conveniently hearing words, that is nothing new and has been going on for at least 30 years. What makes it so easy is that the offences the choose are never triable by jury. A jury may be as slow to believe the police as to believe a defendant or anyone else, but a lay bench is not; you get exceptions, East End benches being commendable in this regard; and the result is predictable. Professional magistrates are more cynical, but they have heard it all before, generally in practice if not in years of sitting .

[Milvus]

I think this is a little different. This was done, it appears, for self interest when the Home Secretary was trying to cut costs (=jobs) in the force, when very quickly we had police demonstrations with T shirts proclaiming I'm proud to be a pleb. Police against the Government is not a good thing. Too many countries have gone down that route with very bad consequences

[Hypognosis]

Now that it is generally accepted that the officers on gate duty set out to bring down a minister, I've yet to see a news article which adequately explains why they chose Mitchell as a target.

The BBC news article mentions something along the lines of general resentment by the Police, because of cost-cutting, squeezed pay rises and modernisation but I fail to see the connection between that and the Chief Whip's role in government.

So was it that they were out to get -any- minister as soon as an opportunity arose and Mitchell just had the luck to be the first to get into a slight altercation?

[Milvus]

I'm not sure H. It would seem too much of a planned set-up if it were done start to finish. Plainly what was said when Mitchell met the officers representing the Police Federation, was misrepresented by those same officers when they left that meeting and talked to the press. But then did those officers tag onto the lies that were put out by those officers in Downing Street? It needs an independent investigation

[Peter Pedant]

IPCC's statement by Deborah Glass
not an obvious pinko leftie pin head:
is here
http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Documents/investigation_commissioner_reports/West%20Mercia%20Investigation.pd

[bazwillrun]

"So was it that they were out to get -any- minister as soon as an opportunity arose and Mitchell just had the luck to be the first to get into a slight altercation? "

nope...It could have been any MP or anybody... it just never occurred to them that this MP would be believed over them.

I mean, come on, one measly tory politicians word against how many old bill !?

they thought by conspiring they would be reading from the same script and that they wouldnt be outed...WRONG

[FredPuli43]

Though I still think he said the word 'plebs'. No police officer , in my experience, has that vocabulary or that much imagination ! It is so much what a man like the subject would say when annoyed. What the cause of the annoyance was is open to debate.

[LazyGun]

"Though I still think he said the word 'plebs'. No police officer , in my experience, has that vocabulary or that much imagination ! It is so much what a man like the subject would say when annoyed. What the cause of the annoyance was is open to debate"

I must admit to thinking the same. Considering just how toxic that word was to the Tory brand, if he genuinely did not do it, then whichever cop who dreamt it up probably has a career beckoning in spin- doctoring. If imagined, it was a pretty inspired piece of imagining.

[askyourgran]

I thought the same too Fred. Mitchell obviously got their back up, his attitude was "Do you know who I am?" when he was told not to ride his bike by a lesser mortal. Although that does not excuse the lies.

[Hypognosis]

How the heck does anyone get all the way through school as far as... what? A levels?... without becoming acquainted with what 'pleb' means?

Heck, even if you pay no attention in class then you'd still come across the word from watching TV often enough.

Of course the Downing Street officers would have no cause to use the word in day-to-day conversation (due to the company they likely keep) but that does not mean they'd be unaware of it. Plus it would be the perfect word to "put into the mouth of" the Tory toff, to make them look bad.

[jno]

if the police officer didn't know the word, how did he manage to recognise it and write it down?