Doesn't This Judgement Show The Eu To Be A Decent, Liberal, And Humane Place?

[sandyRoe]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10432984/EU-rules-that-gay-Africans-are-entitled-to-asylum.html

[sp1814]

Think about this for a moment.

Homophobia is so rampant in many parts of Africa, that claiming to be gay would be quite difficult for the average straight man or woman.

I think that some on this thread are being a little naive if they think that asylum seekers can simply turn up at Heathrow, claim to be gay and thereby about any corroborative investigations which are levelled at other asylum seekers.

I look at it this way - if 10 asylum seekers say they are gay, and three are scamming us, I don't give a toss, because we are saving eight people from persecution, imprisonment or even death.

I literally couldn't care less that the other two are lying. The bigger picture is that we are doing something on humanitarian grounds that makes us better people.

God only knows what would've happened to the Jews in 1942 if some on here were around at that time..."It's a German problem...nothing to do with us...why not just pretend to be Gentiles etc etc".

[FredPuli43]

The test for asylum is whether the individual is being persecuted.

[sp1814]

Hmmm...so since when did ten minus three equal eight?

[FredPuli43]

When an economist was doing the maths

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// God only knows what would've happened to the Jews in 1942 if some on here were around at that time..."It's a German problem...nothing to do with us...why not just pretend to be Gentiles etc etc". ///

I don't know where you plucked the date 1942 from, by that time the Jews in Europe could not leave, and those who foresaw what was coming before 1939 and wanted to come to Britain, wasn't given the warm welcome you apparently were suggesting.

*** Lord Moser quoted the book as revealing that the Central British Fund had 500,000 files on Jewish refugees who wanted to get out of Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia. It was probable that those who were refused entry into Britain were considerably greater in number than those who did gain entry. ***

*** Significantly, those granted admission were not permitted the status of permanent residents, being asked to give assurances that they would not stay. This was a country of relay, not of immigration. Lord Moser regarded this as “A most powerful, central reminder. We were not accepted as refugees who were to live here permanently.” ***

http://www.ajr.org.uk/index.cfm/section.journal/issue.May03/article=403

[FredPuli43]

And that remains the case, AOG. We have long refused to admit, or grant permanent residence to, whole groups of refugees. We take the nice point that each individual must show that they, as an individual, are suffering personal persecution

[sandyRoe]

Was that the case with the Ugandan Asians who were expelled during Idi Amin's time?

[FredPuli43]

Sandy, there were 25,000 Ugandan Asians, most held British passports, we treated them as Commonwealth immigrants to the UK, and some in government didn't want them !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2619049.stm

Canada took 80,000. Seen in the context of our immigration policy in the 70s, and postwar, taking 25,000 was pretty insignificant.

[Peter Pedant]

sandy - the legal position of the Ugandan Asians was completely different - they were expelled and had British passports issued in Uganda.

Altho Ld Denning had previously rules that a British passport issued outside Britain was not er a British Passport, HMG was advised by Lauterpacht ( famous academic international lawyer ) I think, that they had to take them. (this was pre-EU by the way)