So To Some Black Men, White Women Are Just Trophys To Hang Around Their Necks.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2517785/Artist-Nate-Hill-drapes-white-Trophy-Scarves-neck.html

If this is not demeaning towards white women as well as being blatantly racist I do not know what is.

[hc4361]

Isn't that the point of this type of art?
Such a shocking image as this one has certainly caused me to think. You are reacting as if the artist actually wears women as scarves or believes this attitude is correct and proper.

It is a fact that some men treat women as trophies and, worse, some women are happy to be treated as such.

I have been looking for an image I saw some years ago but can't find it. It was artwork with women leading men as if they were dogs in collars. That was equally shocking and was supposed to be challenging feminism and men's fear of it.

[emmie]

in my long experience, black guys never had a problem attracting white girls, my friends and i had black b/f's, and believe me they didn't stint at attracting a lot more, don't see the problem frankly. I only have a problem with men who treat women appallingly, sadly that can be men of any hue, age, shape, size

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// Reaction, provoking thought, is a purpose of art sometimes. ///

Yes but how far are we to allow it to go so as to provoke reaction, it would seem that our standards are being reduced now simply by the fact that some on AB, do not seem to be in the least concerned, over this attempt.

What next, and will that be enough?

Come on Lady ABers, disregard your PC ideals and show some support, after all it is you that is being used in such way.

[emmie]

you last sentence is nonsense, sorry.

[ummmm]

Trophy wife = deep down they think she is above their league.

It happens no matter what colour someone is.

[Mamyalynne]

I don't see his depictions as demeaning, this is something that has always gone on across all cultures.

This type of 'art' leaves me cold as a rule, would he have been taken more seriously if he had penned a lengthy tome on the topic ? Probably - but that is not his way.

As said already, he certainly got the discussion and attention.

[dunnitall]

People will do anything for publicity, shame on any woman complicit to this sort of thing, still money is always the attraction I guess, I assume they were paid. As for him? Artist? Hmmm not my idea of art thanks.

[ummmm]

Shame on any woman? What if they agree with the point he is trying to make?

[Mamyalynne]

Rather off topic and with a howling gale blowing outside - if we ladies adopted the new scarf wearing look, do we get a set of earmuffs thrown in free?

Sorry. :-)

[dunnitall]

We'll that is my point of view, but I agree with you when you said he was attention seeking, most are when they are out to shock.

[FredPuli43]

AOG, were you really brought up in a society where most women were respected? Where a married woman could do things such as open a bank account wihout her husband having to approve it? Where a woman got the same wage as a man doing the same job? Where a woman in a club was always allowed the same services as a man and nobody questioned when she was not?

There may be different views of what respect is.

The idea that women are not equal, and not entitled to be equal is a very old one. Trophy partners may be seen as an extension of that, though the individuals may not see it that way; a point which the artist makes.

[EcclesCake]

I wasn't demeaned yesterday and I do not feel demeaned today.

[emmie]

i grew up in a time when all the women in the family worked, they didn't earn anywhere near the men, even doing the same job, also not being able to truly do much without the say so of some bloke, from home life to work, to business, they also for the most part did the home and child caring on top of the work they did, fair, of course not. Thank heavens we have some level of parity, however we are far from being equal.

[FredPuli43]

"Come on lady ABers...." Do you think that lady ABers are so cowed by pc that they dare not post on this topic, AOG ?

Come on, show some respect !

[ummmm]

We are posting on this topic but it seems we have a different opinion.

[anotheoldgit]

emmie

/// you last sentence is nonsense, sorry. ///

Ah I thought those two letters (PC) were the problem, after I had read your other remarks.

If you have a problem with men who treat women appallingly regardless of any hue, age, shape, size, why couldn't you just have admitted that you found this one's actions appalling?

Admit it, was it just because he happened to be black? And couldn't you also bring yourself to type the word black is that why you chose the word 'hue'.

I am sorry if I sound rather abusive but this whole PC thingy gets to me.

[Mamyalynne]

Interestingly (or not) Nate does not see himself as Black....


"Hill himself is the child of a black father and white mother, making the issues associated with Trophy Scarves feel ‘close to home,’ he says.
He added that ‘I am not really black, I’m half black but I don’t really identify as black.’
For that reason, Hill says that he feels like he is role playing when working on the Trophy Scarves series.
‘For me its role playing, I’m playing the role of a black man,’ he told us."

[pixie373]

Why is she being used? Didn't she have a choice? My personal opinion is that this isn't "art" and makes him look a bit of an idiot. I can't see how anybody other than him is demeaned by it.

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

I am afraid you are introducing an entirely different debate there Fred, you are talking about 'Women's rights', which is an entirely different argument.

And yes to some rich men etc their women are classed as trophies but they are not publicly displayed as such.

[emmie]

i don;t have PC ideals, i have thoughts and feelings, sense and sometimes nonsense in my life, as to this guy what did it matter that he is black, he was out to shock, well perhaps for some it is, i don't find it overly so,
if he was white and draped a bevy of black women across his shoulders would that be as shocking? would the black community be up in arms, probably not i suspect.