Segregation In Education

[emmie]

so Michael Gove doesn't like it either according to another paper, don't understand this at all.

of affairs to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10514551/Official-watchdog-says-university-sex-segregation-plans-not-permissible.html

[emmie]

why should they have to, why on earth should the genders be separate, doesn't make sense to me, after all the battles on gender equality in education and the work place.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) announced it will help re-write guidance, published by Universities UK (UUK) last month, which said Muslim societies and other groups were entitled to practice gender segregation at public meetings on campus.

[jake-the-peg]

Who's going to tell Newnham colledge and the other Cambridge women only colleges?

[emmie]

this is not about same sex colleges, as well you know.

[jake-the-peg]

And how dare they give people the choice to sit in gender specific areas as well as in co-ed areas?

We don't like giving people choice do we?

What do they think this is a free country?

[jim360]

This is a free country -- and therefore people shouldn't be forced to sit in a gender-segregated manner...

[emmie]

this is about those who think it's ok to tell women to sit at the back of the hall, auditorium, that they are different and shouldn't obviously mix with the men, their religion, culture seems to tell them so,
when there should be no such thing, big differences between that and female or male only colleges, they don't need to make rulings like this.

[emmie]

defending the indefensible again i see JTP. Mosques are the same, why, you don't see churches doing this, not sure about synagogues, long time since i was in one.

[jomifl]

It's quite simple emmie., those brazen houris in their seductive burkhas tempt men beyond the limits of their self control. One cannot imagine what accidents of unappeased lust might occur if the sexes weren't segregated. I think it would be best if the sexes were segregated into different countries, this would solve a lot of problems.:o)

[emmie]

this isn't right at all, and the thin end of the wedge. #

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/apr/15/leicester-investigating-islamic-group-gender-segregation

[jake-the-peg]

they're not Jim

The guidance given was that it could be permissible *if coeducational seating was also avaiable*

But people are glossing over this in their anti-muslim crusade

See Emmie for example not addressing that point immediately above and accusing me of defending the indefinsible because in reality she has no answer to that point

[jake-the-peg]

And the 'thin end of the wedge' argument is another classic when people are on shakey ground

Their position is no longer defensible so they invite you to imagine some hypothetical chain of events resulting in chaos or disaster.

You might as well say allowing Americans in is the thin end of the wedge before you know it they'll abolish the Queen and impose a Republic

[emmie]

from that Guardian link

The University of Leicester has launched an investigation into gender segregation at a public lecture held by its student Islamic society.

The talk, entitled Does God Exist?, featured a guest speaker Hamza Tzortzis as part of an Islamic Awareness week. Seating at the event was segregated, with different entrances into the lecture theatre for men and women.

It follows news that a London university, UCL, has banned an Islamic organisation from campus after concluding that it attempted to impose segregation at a debate which also featured Tzortzis.

In Leicester, more than 100 students attended the segregated event, which took place last month. A photograph passed to the Guardian shows signs put up in a university building, directing the segregation.

A message on the group's website says: "In all our events, [the society] operate a strict policy of segregated seating between males and females." The statement was removed after the Guardian contacted the society.

[emmie]

Americans would do no such thing, they like our monarchy,
as to the gender split, well you think it doesn't happen, but it obviously does, Universities UK support the policy of segregation of the sexes on religious, cultural grounds

[jake-the-peg]

And that's a totally different thing from the perfectly reasonable guidance put out by Universities UK that drew all that condemnation.

It's not that hard

You should be able to have segregated events in non segregated seating is also available and providing one set is not disadvatageous (all women at the back for example)

You just don't want to be accommodating because of your loathing of muslims

[FredPuli43]

I do wonder what happens in lectures. Do the Muslims who hold this view on segregation refuse to attend because the sexes aren't segregated? Presumably not. So how do they distinguish between a lecture and an address, the purpose of which may well be to educate or ,at least, to give the opinions of the speaker ?

[emmie]

so you know me do you, interesting...
the fact remains that woman may not want the segregation, but it's forced on them by their religion, culture, or stupid men who think they are inferior.

[emmie]

if its the speakers wish as suggested that the genders are separate, women sitting at the back of the hall, auditorium, then that is wrong.

[bazwillrun]

@JTPy
ou can come out with all the anti-muslim brigade garbage you like

but we never had this problem until these people flooded in here...and as usual they want us to change to suit them, they want us to kow tow to suit their culture and ways

this is the UK if they dont like it then why dont they up sticks and leave pronto for somewhere else that is happy to accede to their wishes

[ludwig]

Jake, I've been struggling for a while to see what the fuss is about myself, but I think it's as follows.

The problem is that despite the fact that mixed seating is available, there are still areas of the room that you're not allowed to sit in, for no other reason than you are male/female.

It's like having three park benches ..'Blacks only' / 'Whites only' / 'Anyone allowed'. The fact that the mixed bench is available doesn't make the other two less objectionable in principle.

[emmie]

if the talk is on an Islamic matter, subject, the speaker a Muslim then he can ask, insist that the genders are separate going on the various links i have provided. The women may not wish it, but are forced to, in much the same way many don the veil, burkha, it may well not be their choice.
why don't some see that, i am for equality of the sexes, equal pay for equal work, in the home, and anywhere in between, i don't believe that for whatever reason is cited the sexes should be separate, especially in education.