Tansgender Prisoner Moved From Women's Prison.

[anotheoldgit]

A few weeks ago I entered a thread called
"Murderer To Be Allowed A Sex Change."

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1290017.html

Well according to the report below, this killer has been up to his tricks while serving his sentence in a Women's prison.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525441/Transgender-murderer-Paris-Green-moved-womens-prison-sex-inmates.html

Should he now be moved into a male prison, and forget about his NHS funded sex change?

[Sqad]

sandy....I do not know the status quo of his/her parts.

We know nothing about his anatomy but plenty about his supposed psyche of which we cannot substantiate.

[Sqad]

jim

\\\But I wouldn't be so dismissive, Sqad, it's a genuine condition.\\\

Yes........so I am told.

[jim360]

By people who are right. You really ought to show a bit more respect. Just because you don't understand it yourself doesn't stop it from being real.

[pixie373]

I agree completely with sqad. It's a psychological condition and it is inappropriate to have physical surgery to cure it - just like any other cosmetic surgery. His genes will always be male- that can't be changed. He has no idea whether "he feels like a woman". He isn't one, he doesn't know.

[jim360]

Do you mean "inappropriate to have physical surgery on the NHS to cure it"?

[Sqad]

JIm

\\\\\y people who are right. You really ought to show a bit more respect. \\\

If that comment was aimed at me..."respecting people" don't necessarily make them "right "

[pixie373]

If it's inappropriate, it makes no difference if it's NHS or private.

[jim360]

Well, you're entitled to your views of course. But you're being far too dismissive of it all really.

If this particular person was after all being cynical in her decision to change gender (and, frankly, I doubt it still) then it's a real pity. She's been selfish and also, clearly, not helped people to understand it as now they're just going to be even more sceptical.

[pixie373]

It's not this person in particular. I just think we are giving the wrong treatment to everybody who describes themselves as transgender. I'm not dismissive of it- i have read a little around the subject. I just think it isn't fully understood enough to make life-changing surgery an option.
It's the only psychiatric condition i can think of, where patients not only diagnose themselves, but dictate their own treatment too. As i said above, it is literally impossible for someone to change sex. So what are we really doing?

[ummmm]

Pixie - have you ever been to Thailand? :-)

[jim360]

Does it not depend though on what you mean by "change sex"? If, after all, transgenderism is a psychological condition, then it presumably follows that it's not only the XX/XY that determines your gender (and besides, there's also XXY and XYY and XXX kicking around as genetic "other sexes"). In which case if you have someone whose mind is "female" but whose body is male, then you have a problem. And it seems as if the kind of treatment you are suggesting is one where you try and push the mind towards the body. That is surely a far worse way of going about it than by making the body fit the mind. If nothing else, which is easier?

[pixie373]

No:-)

[Butterbun]

Ummmm, I watched the program about the transgenders in Thailand. More of them than I would ever have believed and they're from all over the world. Eyeopener.

[pixie373]

I'm not sure "easier" is necessarily better for the patient. In the long-term, anyway. Sex (not gender) is genetics and affects every cell in the body. You can't change all those.

[pixie373]

Also Jim, how does a male patient identify his mind as "female"?

[ummmm]

Some of the ladyboys are stunning.

[jim360]

Perhaps part of the answer to that is by realising that he is "not male".

[Sqad]

Jim

\\\\\In which case if you have someone whose mind is "female" but whose body is male, then you have a problem. \\\\

I am not sure that i understand that statement........what is the difference between a male "mind" and a female "mind"......clearly not cytological?

Butterbun.........Cross dressing is NOT new and it is more common than you might imagine.........Thailand and unbelievably Iran have the highest incidence.
The majority of "cross dressers" do not seek Surgical intervention.

[ummmm]

Well all the ladyboys I chatted to all had boobies....

[jim360]

Wasn't there that paper about men's brains and women's being "wired differently"? In that case, might it not be possible to have a female-wired brain in a male body? That's what I mean, I think.