England Is Now The Most Crowded Country In Europe.

[trt]

that's thanks to the Labour Party, but do you think The Coalition Partys can put a stop to it in the future?

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[Buenchico]

Well that's certainly a lesson in how to distort statistics (not that the Daily Wail needs any lessons in that)!

The report conveniently (for the xenophobic DM) looks at the population density of the most densely-populated part of the UK (England), rather than looking at the population density of the UK as a whole.

As usual, there is a complete reluctance to accept the evidence of many independent reports which all show that immigration strongly benefits the UK and needs to be actively encouraged:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24813467

[Buenchico]

PS: Looking under 'related questions', below, I see that the Daily Wail was running the same story 5 years ago! Nothing ever changes there, does it?

[jno]

England is officially Europe's most densely packed country... second only to tiny Malta

Some contradiction there...

[Buenchico]

Yes, Jno, the wording gets changed the further you get away from the headline!

Firstly it's "Europe's most densely packed country", then it gets changed to "the most overcrowded major country in Europe" as, by their own admission, they are forced to ignore Malta. Then it gets changed again to "the most densely populated nation in the EU", thus allowing them to ignore non-EU countries with a higher population density, such as Monaco.

[Gromit]

1) Immigration has never decreased since the 1950s, so it is stupid to just blame the last Government.
2) The lack of our ability to stop immigration from Europe stems from our jiining the common market in 1973, led by a Conservative Government without any referendum.
3) In the 3 and a half years of the Coalition Government, immigration has not come down to the tens of thousands as promised, it is still in the hundreds of thousands,
4) Blaming everything on the last Labour Government is more and more laughable as time goes on. Why not acknowledge the current shower are in charge and failing miserably?

[Buenchico]

>>>Why not acknowledge the current shower are in charge and failing miserably?

Or why not simply dispense with the xenophobia and accept that immigration is NOT a problem; it's a BENEFIT.

[THECORBYLOON]

If they are using England (a province in the UK), then they should look at North and South Holland, two of the provinces in The Netherlands which have densities way above that of England's.

[FredPuli43]

"This worryingly crowded isle..." Well spotted, BC. One moment the Mail is talking about the island, that is, Great Britain not England; that's for the headline; then it is talking of England, the country, when the country is officially the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the UK. England is only spoken of as a country in a sporting context, or to distinguish it from the other constituent parts of the UK.

Do the editors of the Daily Mail take their readers as naive or is it that the readers are naive and don't spot dishonest journalistic devices (of which how to lie with statistics is one of several )?

[jim360]

This is surely an object lesson in how not to report. There are certainly problems associated with immigration, but in reporting the topic in such a crass and awful manner it surely distracts attention from the actual issue. The Daily Mail would have done itself, its readers and perhaps even its country a huge favour by doing a better job of reporting this story.

[Hypognosis]

I used to think that the projectile-vomiting old ladies on BBC2's 'Little Britain' were a character stereotype exaggerated to the point of ridiculousness.

The more I'm exposed to examples of DM journalism, the more believable the joke becomes. Perhaps we should have a whip-round for their office cleaners?

[emmie]

immigration is a problem, those who say it isn't are deluding themselves,
and the government said it could control immigration, it can't, thanks to the EU and leaky borders. Those that get in illegally will disappear into a big city, those that get in legally via visas like students can and do overstay the visa and their welcome. I really don't care what the DM says i only have to look around me. and it's not all about so called lazy British who won't pick fruit in the fields, so left to the hard working Eastern Europeans. it's about housing, schools, and indeed being part of a con that is the European union. Trade is good, importing millions of poor, ill educated third world inhabitants is not. They may contribute in the future, they may also decide to decamp to their homelands when their country of origin improves it's lot. Not to mention those rather more better educated that come from overseas are leaving a lasting legacy in the country they have come from, once called a brain drain,
doctors, nurses, engineers that these poorer countries need to keep to get the countries up and running. If we keep on accepting peoples from all ports how and where do we put them, build on more green belt land, keep on expanding our towns, cities, so they are fit to burst. I think not.

[Kromovaracun]

The trouble is, emmie, that you live in just one area of the UK. That's the problem with the "I just look around me" argument. That's why people try to measure this kind of thing - because the government can't make policy by just asking random dissatisfied

[Kromovaracun]

Argh stupid phone

*By just asking a random dissatisfied person in one part of the country

[emmie]

so i don't get around, don't know about other parts of UK, sorry that just isn't the case, i also know the capital like the back of my hand, have a keen interest in it over many many years. Our area however has been the dumping ground for endless abject poor, and the borough, though i confess the info came from a local paper, so cannot verify it's source, said that we have between 12,000/15,000 asylum seekers, refugees who need some form of help, aid.

[emmie]

we cannot get rid of undesirables it would seem, and the census that is supposed to be a good enough head count doesn't work. That indeed was the viewpoint of the census worker who came to visit. Not the first time i have heard that either. So we don't know how many live in Britain,
but it's over 60 million and rising, by land mass surely Germany, France have more room to accommodate people's if it so wishes.

[emmie]

i have been to the four corners, if that were possible of course, of Britain, Scotland doesn't have a much of a people problem if you live in the Highlands, and the reason surely is that there isn't much there, beautiful as it may be. However London is the hub like it or not, and they head here as opposed to sleepy hollow where some people on this site seem to inhabit, so they will rarely be affected. And do not see the cultural changes that happen, when it comes to their doorsteps then they may just change their minds. More and more people equals more social problems, if British leave it's because they want a better life, however they generally don't bunk into a country, they go legally and have money in their pockets, because without it they can't get in to places like US, Australia, even France, Spain, where many have retired to, selling their property to finance their life in the sun.

[Kromovaracun]

"so i don't get around, don't know about other parts of UK"

Well, you only ever talk about London. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that the number of areas you know really, really well probably isn't very high.

(This isn't a criticism - it's true for most people, me included. I'm just saying that this is the reason the govt tries to measure things on a larger scale than just going to one area and asking a handful of people).

[Kromovaracun]

"However London is the hub like it or not, and they head here as opposed to sleepy hollow where some people on this site seem to inhabit, so they will rarely be affected."

Well, that's kind of the point. "Sleepy Hollow" is as much part of the country as London is - and this thread is about the country as a whole.

[emmie]

I do know the capital, have lived and worked in it all these years,
in many many parts of it. friends, family that were dotted all over the shop. change does happen, but it happens at lightening speed in the capital, from the country i grew up in it's changed out of all recognition. Culturally, ethnically, religiously, in 50 years, all changed. Islam is now the second most recognised religion that i am sure will one day be the dominant religion, this is from a standing start of a few short years, even if we had thousands of adherents in the late 19th century, now there are many millions. So that is one change, perhaps we are becoming more secular, who knows, but i don't care much for many of the changes i have seen. And quite frankly i am sick of people telling me all this change is wonderful, good for us.

[emmie]

if i talk about the capital because it's where i reside, and where i have seen the biggest changes. One person on this site, said that it wouldn't bother him if white people were in the minority, sorry if that brings colour into it, however i found that really offensive. So much for diversity.