I Know We've Done This To Death, But...

[Kromovaracun]

... why does the sheer number of racists/homophobes/whatever in UKIP simply not bother people?

The usual response is that "all parties have bad eggs that we don't hear about." But

a) UKIP are significantly worse offenders

b) UKIP do not seem to care about their unsavoury members. Every time there's a platitude about how the problem will be solved, or how the party is taking quick and effective action - but then it transpires that the person has been behaving in such a way for a very long time, and earned no response.

Why do the same empty excuses always prove so effective? Does this really not bother people? Is nobody concerned that they may have just elected one of UKIP's legion of bad eggs to public office?

[sp1814]

Orderlimit

So...'homophobe' and 'moron' are now terms of endearment?

Forgive me, I didn't get that memo!

[sp1814]

Seriously Orderlimit - what was all that about?

Did you only read part of my post????

[Orderlimit]

But they don't amount to racism like the other comment.

All depends who is saying I suppose. I listened to some *** the other day telling someone he called another black male an 'Alabama ***' but it couldn't be racism as he himself was black. Odd how some people tick.

[sp1814]

Orderlimit

No.

Just...no.

I cannot see what you can see.

I think that all three sets of scumbag are equally worthless.

I'm sure you agree with me, that whether white, black or Asian - a scumbag is a scumbag right?

[Svejk]

you only mentioned the colour of one.

[sp1814]

Svejk

Ha ha ha...brilliant.

Seriously made me laugh there.

Which is more than can be said for 'Britain's Got Talent'.

Seeing as this thread has now leapt through the looking glass, I'm going to call it a night, and settle down with a slightly disappointing Gillian Flynn book.

I wish you and Orderlimit all the best, and thank you for debating this knotty issue.

[Orderlimit]

"I cannot see what you can see."

You will one day when you venture out a bit more :) take the beer-goggles off and jump off planet guardian.

[naomi24]

SP, firstly, I’d thank you not to accuse me of making things up. Be assured I don’t do that - ever. Secondly, my post wasn’t intended as a personal attack, simply an observation. I’m on your side, but sorry, SP, your reluctance to criticise black people is evident. This is not the first time I’ve said that your posts reflect divided loyalties, and actually I find that sad.

//One last thing...when me and my mates ventured back into Soho after the nail bomb attack, it really wasn't Muslims we had on our minds.

I think that's quite an important point.//

And you’re doing it again. If you want to combat homophobia, criticism must be levelled squarely at the perpetrator irrespective of colour or creed. Regardless of what those Muslims you meet tell you, many would see your head roll without a second thought.

[sp1814]

naimi24

You wrote:

"Regardless of what those Muslims you meet tell you, many would see your head roll without a second thought".

I am not sure of that. But then again I am almost certain that the people you are referring to are hard line extremists, rather than everyday Muslims.

[sp1814]

naomi24

You wrote:

"I’m on your side, but sorry, SP, your reluctance to criticise black people is evident."

Have a look back through this thread.

I highlighted the UKIP person who said that gay adoptive parents are basically child abusers.

He is black.

The Christian registrar who refused to carry out CP ceremonies (whom I criticised quite strongly on previous threads) was black.

So please try not to misrepresent me.

[royfromaus]

sp, what is your take on the youtube clip of Diane Abbot?

[Kromovaracun]

"With respect krom your incredulity at the popularity of UKIP is the same as Cameron's, Clegg's and Miliband's. "

Sorry my reply is late ludwig.

Yes, you're probably right. To be honest that's why I started this thread - I wanted to see if these aspects of UKIP genuinely didn't bother people, and I've now learned that they don't. I could probably have gleaned that from reading the legion of UKIP-related threads, but I didn't.

Personally, I hate the 3 main parties as much as anyone - and I can't bring myself to vote for any of them come the general election. I just find it confusing that people are venting that frustration by endorsing a party which does not care about putting bigoted and dangerous people into positions of authority.

Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that this thread has died on its feet. Not much more to see here, folks.

[sp1814]

royfromaus

On come on!

You're going to have to give me more than that!

Otherwise, I'm going to have to trawl through a load of Diane Abbott clips, and that's just a form of abuse.

Without knowing which clip you're referring to, can I start by saying that I have almost no respect for Ms Abbott at all. I always thought she was a very dumb person, but also a major hypocrite (the whole private school farrago).

Not sure what she's said or done recently. I try to avoid her as much as possible.

Have you got a link?

[royfromaus]

I do often wonder how much attention people pay to the actual thread...here is the link.


http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1339399.html

posted @ 9:59

[sp1814]

royfromaus

Unfortunately, YouTube is blocked at work, so I'm going to have to watch this when I get home tonight...unless you could summarise what she said?

[emmie]

we have elected any number of bad eggs in the main parties, completely ineffectual politicians, some of whom may hold the same views as some in UKIP, but if UKIP has given them all a bloody nose then good.

[sp1814]

royfromaus

Hoorah - I fired up my iPad and circumvented our firewall.

I've skipped through the link. The usual nonsense from Diane. Specifically what was it that you wanted a comment on?

[royfromaus]

I'm sure you will have viewed it in the past, sp.

"Black mothers will go to the wall for their kids"


Andrew Neil
"Would you like to make it clear that West Indian mums are no better or no worse than white or Anglo Asian mums"


I am sure you know that she refused to answer the question.

[sp1814]

royfromaus

When I wrote:


"Without knowing which clip you're referring to, can I start by saying that I have almost no respect for Ms Abbott at all. I always thought she was a very dumb person, but also a major hypocrite (the whole private school farrago)."

That was what I was referring to...

Are we talking about the same thing?

[royfromaus]

I will make clear... do you think here comment and her subsequent refusal to address her comment has racist connotations?


If that was a white woman sat there saying the same thing (obviously switching black for white) I would have no fears of calling her a racist.